Arizona does NOT hire Tim Floyd

[fcmc]

I'll never forget Jacy Holloway hitting that 3-pointer to win the last Big 8 championship. Thank you Tim Floyd.
All my memories of Floyd are fond ones and I cheer for his success wherever he's at.
Whenever he's asked about his time at Iowa State he has nothing but good things to say.
Maybe he's just waiting a year to leave USC for when we have our coaching job opening up next year.

 

[Bobber]

First, what is Arizonas graduation rate?

Second, you are a fool to think he "chizzed" us. He built ISU to a program that was nationally looked upon and won doing so. He won Big 8 touney titles, and did well in the NCAA's. He left ISU with one of its most herald recruits/players (Fizer). He took an opportunity at the NBA, got let go for his job at Chicago. Took another head NBA job, got let go there. Now he is at USC. He did not "chizz" anyone.

Actually Johny Orr was the one who did that. Tim Floyd would have never come here if Johny hadn't built us up. Johnny gave Tim Fred Hoiberg who had more success than Marcus Fizer in the NBA. And let's not forget Jeff Hornacek eclipsed them both...

 

[MontyBurns]

Second, you are a fool to think he "chizzed" us. He built ISU to a program that was nationally looked upon and won doing so. He won Big 8 touney titles, and did well in the NCAA's. He left ISU with one of its most herald recruits/players (Fizer). He took an opportunity at the NBA, got let go for his job at Chicago. Took another head NBA job, got let go there. Now he is at USC. He did not "chizz" anyone.

Floyd did in fact Chiz us. In 1996 he signed a 10 year contract. At the time he said:

"Iowa State is where I want to be," Floyd said. "Everything is in place here. ISU is in a great community, with a supportive administration, in a powerful conference and our team gets outstanding fan support. Everything we are doing provides for the long-term stability of our basketball program."

Less than two years later he broke the contract he signed and quit. That is the definition of being chizzed.

And Bobber is right. Floyd is not the coach who put ISU basketball on the national map. That man was Johnny Orr. Hell, when the Floyd-to-Arizona story was being reported on TV and in the papers and they gave background on Floyd, it was hardly even mentioned that he had ever coached at Iowa State.

 

[cycfan1]

He went to the NBA for a lot more money. Give it a rest Monty. Look around the NCAA. This happens all the time. Give it a rest.

 

[Clone_12]

Floyd did in fact Chiz us. In 1996 he signed a 10 year contract. At the time he said:

"Iowa State is where I want to be," Floyd said. "Everything is in place here. ISU is in a great community, with a supportive administration, in a powerful conference and our team gets outstanding fan support. Everything we are doing provides for the long-term stability of our basketball program."

Less than two years later he broke the contract he signed and quit. That is the definition of being chizzed.

And Bobber is right. Floyd is not the coach who put ISU basketball on the national map. That man was Johnny Orr. Hell, when the Floyd-to-Arizona story was being reported on TV and in the papers and they gave background on Floyd, it was hardly even mentioned that he had ever coached at Iowa State.

What in the world do you expect a coach to say??? "I like Iowa State, but if a more prestigious offer comes up, I'll definately consider it"??? That would be great for recruiting...

 

[fcmc]

If Floyd chizzed us then why did we turn around under our new coach and win two Big 12 conference championships.
Floyd built this program up to a great level and left us in great shape.
He did not chizz us.
Tim Floyd was a great coach, a great recruiter, and if you don't appreciate what he did for Iowa State, you start to sound a lot like a Hawkeye fan.

 

[cycloneboogie]

Actually Johny Orr was the one who did that. Tim Floyd would have never come here if Johny hadn't built us up. Johnny gave Tim Fred Hoiberg who had more success than Marcus Fizer in the NBA. And let's not forget Jeff Hornacek eclipsed them both...

Wrong Bobber, Floyd is the one who actually took the team and did more (meaning winning on the road instead of just at home). He did something that Orr did not, Floyds team played defense. Orr may have left tim Freddy, but Fizer did more when it came to NCAA tourney run. Keep in mind I think Fred is the best ISU bball player of all time. Or at the very least, the most liked.

And it had more to do with Gary Thompson than Orr for Tim Floyd to come to ISU.

Floyd put ISU on the national spotlight.

 

[cycloneboogie]

Floyd did in fact Chiz us. In 1996 he signed a 10 year contract. At the time he said:

"Iowa State is where I want to be," Floyd said. "Everything is in place here. ISU is in a great community, with a supportive administration, in a powerful conference and our team gets outstanding fan support. Everything we are doing provides for the long-term stability of our basketball program."

Less than two years later he broke the contract he signed and quit. That is the definition of being chizzed.

And Bobber is right. Floyd is not the coach who put ISU basketball on the national map. That man was Johnny Orr. Hell, when the Floyd-to-Arizona story was being reported on TV and in the papers and they gave background on Floyd, it was hardly even mentioned that he had ever coached at Iowa State.

the definition of being "chizzed" is leaving a program in worst shape than when you inherited it. Again, quit being a fool and get your own definition correct.

 

[MontyBurns]

He went to the NBA for a lot more money. Give it a rest Monty. Look around the NCAA. This happens all the time. Give it a rest.

It does not happen all the time. Look at Lute Olson at Arizona. Look at Coach K at Duke. When those guys went to their schools, they were basketball wastelands, way worse than ISU ever was. And they weren't making millions at the start either. After they turned their two programs around, they could have chizzed Arizona and Duke. Both of them could have named their price at big name basketball schools or moved to the next level. But they didn't do it. They stayed and made their schools into national basketball powers over 2+ decades, and along the way they became multi-millionaires right where they were. Floyd had the oppportunity to do the same thing here -- maybe he would have suceeded, maybe not -- but we'll never know because he chizzed us at the first opportunity that came along. We can thank him for three good seasons, but in the future I want more than a coach who gives us a couple of good years then breaks his contract. If we're happy with coaches who use us as a stepping stone and chiz us at the first chance, we're never going to reach the next level.

 

[cyclonenum1]

First, what is Arizonas graduation rate?

Second, you are a fool to think he "chizzed" us. He built ISU to a program that was nationally looked upon and won doing so. He won Big 8 touney titles, and did well in the NCAA's. He left ISU with one of its most herald recruits/players (Fizer). He took an opportunity at the NBA, got let go for his job at Chicago. Took another head NBA job, got let go there. Now he is at USC. He did not "chizz" anyone.

Yes...THANK YOU JOHNNY ORR!

 

[cyclonenum1]

I'll never forget Jacy Holloway hitting that 3-pointer to win the last Big 8 championship. Thank you Tim Floyd.

All my memories of Floyd are fond ones and I cheer for his success wherever he's at.

Whenever he's asked about his time at Iowa State he has nothing but good things to say.

Maybe he's just waiting a year to leave USC for when we have our coaching job opening up next year.

How about thank you Jacy Holloway!

Were you "fond" of that last season...12-18 as I recall. Were you fond of thugs like Kenny Pratt in the program.

Listen, Floyd is an amiable guy (I have met him), he is a very solid college coach (not great), and I certainly appreciated what he did at ISU but he is not the "great" coach that many of you have somehow been duped into believing. Great coaches can get past the Sweet 16.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Actually Johny Orr was the one who did that. Tim Floyd would have never come here if Johny hadn't built us up. Johnny gave Tim Fred Hoiberg who had more success than Marcus Fizer in the NBA. And let's not forget Jeff Hornacek eclipsed them both...

Excellent post!

 

[cyclonenum1]

If Floyd chizzed us then why did we turn around under our new coach and win two Big 12 conference championships.
Floyd built this program up to a great level and left us in great shape.
He did not chizz us.
Tim Floyd was a great coach, a great recruiter, and if you don't appreciate what he did for Iowa State, you start to sound a lot like a Hawkeye fan.

I'll give you very good but not great.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Wrong Bobber, Floyd is the one who actually took the team and did more (meaning winning on the road instead of just at home). He did something that Orr did not, Floyds team played defense. Orr may have left tim Freddy, but Fizer did more when it came to NCAA tourney run. Keep in mind I think Fred is the best ISU bball player of all time. Or at the very least, the most liked.

And it had more to do with Gary Thompson than Orr for Tim Floyd to come to ISU.

Floyd put ISU on the national spotlight.

You must be about 25-30 years old and think that ISU BB started when you became aware of the program.

 

[Tornado man]

It does not happen all the time. Look at Lute Olson at Arizona. Look at Coach K at Duke. When those guys went to their schools, they were basketball wastelands, way worse than ISU ever was.

Uh, this just in:

In just the the three years prior to Coach K coming to Duke, the Blue Devils under coach Bill Foster:
77-78: went 27-7, played in national title game vs. Kentucky
78-79: went 22-8, lost in NCAA's second round
79-80: went 24-9, reached Elite Eight vs. Purdue

In the 1960's, under legendary coach Vic Bubas, Duke went to three Final Fours (63, 64, and 66) losing to UCLA in the championship game in 64.

Do some research next time. I would hardly call that a "basketball wasteland."

 

[Bobber]

Wrong Bobber, Floyd is the one who actually took the team and did more (meaning winning on the road instead of just at home). He did something that Orr did not, Floyds team played defense. Orr may have left tim Freddy, but Fizer did more when it came to NCAA tourney run. Keep in mind I think Fred is the best ISU bball player of all time. Or at the very least, the most liked.

And it had more to do with Gary Thompson than Orr for Tim Floyd to come to ISU.

Floyd put ISU on the national spotlight.

Actually I believe Jeff Hornacek has Freddie beat...

Sure Gary Thompson was a key player, but the fact is Orr had people packing Hilton, had some success(I believe Johnny took us to the Sweet 16), and had a good roster of young players for Floyd to work with. Tim is no fool and he would not have come here without those pieces in place(as well as Gary Thompson twisting his harm).

Look, I agree Floyd put us in the spot light. He did some good things. I contend however he is and has proven to be a short term thinker. Orr on the other hand was in it for the long haul and that's why I admire him and respect what he did for ISU more than what Tim Floyd did(and I like Tim too).

 

[Clone_12]

Fizer, Tinsley, and Grayer are the best ISU basketball players of all-time...Freddy and Hornacek did more in their pro careers than Fizer and Grayer, but to say they were as good at Iowa State as Marcus Fizer, Jamaal Tinsley, and Jeff Grayer is quite the stretch.

Fizer was a First Team All-American, and National Player of the Year Runner-Up...Tinsley was also an All-American and a National Player of the Year Runner-Up...Hornacek and Hoiberg were both GREAT players and legends at ISU, but not like Marcus, Jamaal, and Grayer.

 

[Bobber]

Fizer, Tinsley, and Grayer are the best ISU basketball players of all-time...Freddy and Hornacek did more in their pro careers than Fizer and Grayer, but to say they were as good at Iowa State as Marcus Fizer, Jamaal Tinsley, and Jeff Grayer is quite the stretch.

Fizer was a First Team All-American, and National Player of the Year Runner-Up...Tinsley was also an All-American and a National Player of the Year Runner-Up...Hornacek and Hoiberg were both GREAT players and legends at ISU, but not like Marcus, Jamaal, and Grayer.

Yeah, but for me the proof in the pudding is how well they do in the NBA. That is truly the next level.

At least we can argue about these guys. Prior to 1980, few players of that caliber came out of ISU.

 

[Tornado man]

Actually I believe Jeff Hornacek has Freddie beat...

The poster described Hoiberg as the "best ISU bball player of all time," and while Hornacek had a great Cyclone career, it was not close to Hoiberg's.

 

[Clone_12]

Yeah, but for me the proof in the pudding is how well they do in the NBA. That is truly the next level.

At least we can argue about these guys. Prior to 1980, few players of that caliber came out of ISU.

No doubt about your comment in bold...but it's tough to judge based on how players did in the NBA...going off of that way of judgement, Eric Snow would've been a better player for Michigan State than Mateen Cleaves, which we all know is not the case.

Jamaal NEVER lost a home game in his two years at ISU...he lead ISU to two Big 12 Regular Season Championships and one tourney championship at ISU. He was an All-American and a National Player of the Year Runner-Up...he hasn't had as good of an NBA career as Hornacek due to injuries, and attitude problems...but there is no way you can say Hornacek was as good at ISU as Tinsley...their resumes are not comparable IMO.

People tend to overrate whether or not a guy has success in the NBA when judging how good of a college player a guy was IMO...do you think Seton Hall fans look at Samuel Dalembart as one of their all-time great centers? Heck, Martin Rancik was a notch above Paul Shirley in his time at ISU but Paul played in the NBA sparingly while Martin didn't...doesn't mean Martin wasn't a better player at ISU.

Fizer and Grayer both also had a bigger impact than Freddie or Hornacek did at ISU...although injuries very much dampered their pro careers, as well as attitude problems with Marcus.