Arizona does NOT hire Tim Floyd

[CyCrazy]

Re: Arizona hires Tim Floyd

yes i hope Capel goes, one less good coach to out coach us :wink:

 

[isunorth]

Re: Arizona hires Tim Floyd

Will never happen.

+1

USC is too big of a name. The NCAA doesn't have the balls to pull that off.

 

[isunorth]

Re: Arizona hires Tim Floyd

yes i hope Capel goes, one less good coach to out coach us :wink:

I'm sure if Capel left, OU would find someone else with no problem.

 

[chengyushen]

Re: Arizona hires Tim Floyd

so we all judged him wrong. Do we owe him an apology?

 

[fcmc]

Re: Tim Floyd doing what Tim Floyd does

I agree 100%. In Floyd's case, I think he bails before the NCAA shows up to investigate recruiting (like OJ Mayo) and before he gets hit with scholarship reductions for his APR (academic progress report). His players were the start of the time our 6-year graduation rate was less than 10%...of course by the time we had scholarship reductions, he was long gone. A lot of coaches can go somewhere, recruit a few good players, and have a 20 or 25 win season or two. The top coaches can graduate those players, recruit new ones, and do it again. And again. Just like Orr & Davis.

Lol.
How do all your unsubstantiated charges make you sound now?

 

[MontyBurns]

Re: Tim Floyd doing what Tim Floyd does

Lol.
How do all your unsubstantiated charges make you sound now?

Pretty damn good since they're substantiated. Check out the teams subject to NCAA academic penalties. You'll find Tim Floyd's program under the "basketball" listings:

Teams Subject to Penalties 2007-08 By Sport - NCAA.org

Think before you post next time, dude.

 

[superdorf]

Re: Tim Floyd doing what Tim Floyd does

Pretty damn good since they're substantiated. Check out the teams subject to NCAA academic penalties. You'll find Tim Floyd's program under the "basketball" listings:

Teams Subject to Penalties 2007-08 By Sport - NCAA.org

Think before you post next time, dude.

No... You weren't totally accurate:

of course by the time we had scholarship reductions, he was long gone. A lot of coaches can go somewhere, recruit a few good players, and have a 20 or 25 win season or two

He is STAYING!

 

[MontyBurns]

Re: Tim Floyd doing what Tim Floyd does

No... You weren't totally accurate:

He is STAYING!

He is staying as of today. But look at his resume:

Idaho - 2 years
New Orleans - 5 years
Iowa State - 4 years
Chicago Bulls - 3 years
New Orleans Hornets - 1 year
USC - 4 years

He is obviously not committed to USC if he is willing to entertain other offers after only 4 years. Do you really think it will be his last job?

 

[superdorf]

Re: Tim Floyd doing what Tim Floyd does

He is staying as of today. But look at his resume:

Idaho - 2 years
New Orleans - 5 years
Iowa State - 4 years
Chicago Bulls - 3 years
New Orleans Hornets - 1 year
USC - 4 years

He is obviously not committed to USC if he is willing to entertain other offers after only 4 years. Do you really think it will be his last job?

No. I don't.

 

[MontyBurns]

I can understand why he would have second thoughts about Arizona. Lute Olson set the bar very high:

24 straight winning seasons (overall & conference)

11 Pac 10 championships

23 straight NCAA tournaments including seven Elite 8's, four Final 4's and a national championship. Kind of makes us look sad for bragging about one Elite 8.

Nothing in Tim's resume shows that he would have come close to matching what Arizona is used to. The expectations would be very different from what they are at USC, or from wherever Floyd ends up next.

 

[fcmc]

It's hard to understand the criticism of Floyd.
He did an unbelievable job here.

 

[isunorth]

It's hard to understand the criticism of Floyd.
He did an unbelievable job here.

Ever heard the term "sour grapes"? :smile:

 

[CarolinaCy]

It's hard to understand the criticism of Floyd.
He did an unbelievable job here.

I think you'll find that MontyBurns doesn't have a complimentary bone in his entire body. He claims to be an ISU fan, yet he complains about and criticizes anything even remotely related to ISU athletics when things aren't going according to his utopian plan.

 

[MontyBurns]

It's hard to understand the criticism of Floyd.
He did an unbelievable job here.

He did a good job winning. No doubt about it and kudos to Tim for that.

He did not do a good job off the court. When our six year men's basketball graduation rate was at 6%, the first three of those six years were Floyd's. His successors lost scholarships because of it, and you gotta hold Floyd and Eustachy responsible, because they were. Bad job outta Tim on academics.

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

 

[Bobber]

He did a good job winning. No doubt about it and kudos to Tim for that.

He did not do a good job off the court. When our six year men's basketball graduation rate was at 6%, the first three of those six years were Floyd's. His successors lost scholarships because of it, and you gotta hold Floyd and Eustachy responsible, because they were. Bad job outta Tim on academics.

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

Great Great post, and I agree with everything.:yes:

I'm not sure the Arizona job is as cherry a job as they want it to be. Lute built that ship and he's sailed away now. It will be interesting to see who they get hired.

 

[Bobber]

He did a good job winning. No doubt about it and kudos to Tim for that.

He did not do a good job off the court. When our six year men's basketball graduation rate was at 6%, the first three of those six years were Floyd's. His successors lost scholarships because of it, and you gotta hold Floyd and Eustachy responsible, because they were. Bad job outta Tim on academics.

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

Funny thing about this post Monty is that Coach McDermott has had to deal with a lot of these left over problems, yet you don't seem to cut him much slack because of it?

 

[jdoggivjc]

Re: Arizona hires Tim Floyd

+1

USC is too big of a name. The NCAA doesn't have the balls to pull that off.

It's not that they don't have the balls to pull it off, it's that they remember all to vividly what a death penalty did to SMU - and not just the football team, but the entire athletic department as a whole. I'm not saying SMU didn't deserve it, but the NCAA dropped the atom bomb on SMU and 20+ years later it STILL hasn't recovered - in fact, had it not been for the death penalty it might have been SMU and not Baylor in the Big XII conference.

Well, that, and they probably don't have the balls to pull this on USC...

 

[jdoggivjc]

It's hard to understand the criticism of Floyd.
He did an unbelievable job here.

Ever heard the term "sour grapes"? :smile:

I can't believe people still blame Floyd for leaving when the NBA came calling. You mean he was supposed to turn down multi-millions to coach at the highest level in order to stay here?

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

Yeah, because Floyd leaving for the NBA after having great success here at ISU is the equivalent of what Chizik did - and you wonder why people on this site never take you seriously and you are always ridiculed - you never put forward a credible argument...

 

[chengyushen]

what you said makes a lot of sense!

He did a good job winning. No doubt about it and kudos to Tim for that.

He did not do a good job off the court. When our six year men's basketball graduation rate was at 6%, the first three of those six years were Floyd's. His successors lost scholarships because of it, and you gotta hold Floyd and Eustachy responsible, because they were. Bad job outta Tim on academics.

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

 

[cycloneboogie]

He did a good job winning. No doubt about it and kudos to Tim for that.

He did not do a good job off the court. When our six year men's basketball graduation rate was at 6%, the first three of those six years were Floyd's. His successors lost scholarships because of it, and you gotta hold Floyd and Eustachy responsible, because they were. Bad job outta Tim on academics.

But the biggest criticism is that he chizzed us. We're not unique, he's chizzed every employer he's ever had except USC, and their day is coming. But it doesn't mean we should be happy about being chizzed. A lot of coaches can come in and build a winner. Hell, we could hire Billy Gillespie, give him free reign, and we'd probably win 20 games in his 2nd year. But I want a coach who will build and maintain, not build and bail. Look at Lute Olson's record above -- 23 straight winning seasons, 11 conference championships, 23 straight NCAA's. Along the way I am sure he could have bailed for an ACC school or some basketball power, but he didn't chiz Arizona. He stayed and maintained what he had built. That's what I want at ISU.

First, what is Arizonas graduation rate?

Second, you are a fool to think he "chizzed" us. He built ISU to a program that was nationally looked upon and won doing so. He won Big 8 touney titles, and did well in the NCAA's. He left ISU with one of its most herald recruits/players (Fizer). He took an opportunity at the NBA, got let go for his job at Chicago. Took another head NBA job, got let go there. Now he is at USC. He did not "chizz" anyone.