I am sure none of a student athlete's decision comes from the coach's record, both on and off the court, the graduation rate of the players, the vibe they get from other players on the team or who have left the program, what their parent's think of the coach, the system the coach runs. None of that matters, just the fan base.
Another recruiting MISS
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No... I did not twist anything... I asked you if you were in the boat. Hence the question mark. I explained my logic for asking that question.
I apologize for misunderstanding your original comment... I did not realize that you were referring to somebody's dad who had already decided to not attend ISU, and made the incorrect assumption that you were referring to telling a current recruit's dad such negative statistics. I am not trying to pick a fight...
I don't think the fan base was what any of the comments about the message board affecting recruits was truly about. The majority of the fan base is not heard on the message boards. I think the point trying to be made is that if a recruit is wavering and undecided they will go to a message boards. The recruit then goes to a thread about their scholarship offer and sees the fans immediately trashing said recruit, demeaning their skills, ability and their general character. Why would that recruit want to come? Fred Hoiberg received a petition begging him to stay in Ames with thousands of names and he said it affected him. Why should we think a message board is any different? Recruiting is a lot about relationships and every one of them is important. Each relationship is different and each is important in its own way. Remember, these are real people that are talked about on here and whether anyone believes it or not they do care what people say about them.
If a recruit thinks that Gmac is not on the hot seat before coming to this site than neither he nor his handlers are doing a very good job of educating him about his possible schools. If I were a kid all I would have to see is 4 years of losing records and horrible conference records combined with the player defections and I think it would become pretty obvious that this coach is on the hot seat. The last 4 years speak 1000 times louder to a recruit than any message board can.
Greg has done all this damage to himself period!! This website does not cause recruits to not commit and go elsewhere. The excuses are over with, Greg is the damn leader and has done this to himself. When the hell are some of you going to see that!!! You know I guess my mistakes I can pass the buck too right?
In a typical recruit thread. I see about 75% completely positive posts, 24.9% of posts with some questions about how their play fits into the conference, system, etc. (which is fair, no?) and about 0.1% that do anything you are suggesting here. Exaggerate much?
I agree. You do not see posts bashing recruits. Some may question certain things about them, like do they need time in the weight room, maybe the competition they have played against.........whatever. But it is usually legitimate questions and concerns. Never anything like.......why did we get this guy? Why do we want him? Most recruits will be given a chance to prove themselves.
Greg McDermott not winning games is hurting our recruiting. Don't blame it on message board posters.
Donors are not supposed to be talking to recruits and their families about sports at the university. I'm just trying to follow the rules. Hopefully, so are all the people with "inside information", because if you are one of those "inside information" people, it would probably be pretty easy to prove that you have ties to the university.
http://www.cyclones.com//pdf5/130744.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10700
He said those things after being called out for his original comment that negative message board posting was definitely a factor in recruiting.
I see it differently.
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Exactly. I don't see the problem with legitimate questions about a recruit. The people who like to bash CF posters LOVE to overestimate the negativity going on so they have an argument to make. If a recruit can't take the 24.9% of legitimate questions about his game, and ignore the 0.1% of negativity, then he's likely to fail in a D1 program anyway.
To Greg McDermott supporters:
Please give me the name of one current high major MBB coach who has a worse record than McDermott at his current school.
I'm expecting to see McDermott's name at # 1 on the college basketball hot seat when the new rankings come out in the fall. Please tell me who you'd put ahead of him.
Take a look at who is # 1 on the college football hot seat rankings. Tell me how good his recruiting class is for 2010.
Coaches Hot Seat 2010
Please give me the name of one current high major MBB coach who has a worse record than McDermott at his current school.
I'm expecting to see McDermott's name at # 1 on the college basketball hot seat when the new rankings come out in the fall. Please tell me who you'd put ahead of him.
Take a look at who is # 1 on the college football hot seat rankings. Tell me how good his recruiting class is for 2010.
Coaches Hot Seat 2010
I find it funny that Lane Kiffen is #5 on that list and hasn't coached a game for USC yet.
Here are quotes from the first 75 posts in one thread about a recruit. I didn't think it was worth going much farther.
Well atleast he wont get home sick.
Never know. Clayton Vette was from Waverly and he thought that was too far away.
Isn't Waverly about the same distance from Ames as CR?
Creighton and Albany? Seriously?
Who doesn't want to be a Cyclone??
Lucca Staiger, Marcus Brister, Clinton Mann, Clayton Vette, Wes Eikmeier, Justin Hamilton, All this years McDonalds All-American team, Dominque Buckley, all of next years McDonalds All-American team.....the list goes on.
Wait, maybe all of those guys want to be a Cyclone but they just don't want to play for our current coach. I don't blame them.
I guess it really doesn't matter to you if he is a project or not. You will be gone by the time he takes the court if he comes to ISU. You will cease being A Cyclone fan as soon as Gmac gets the boot after next season.
I'm surprised I have never heard of this guy. Iowa high school basketball is a small world. For most D-I recruits, you have at least heard of them by this point in their careers, such as Marsden, Thompson, Haluska, Horner, Brunner, Gatens, etc.
Hopefully he is just a late bloomer, a la Justin Hamilton. Wait, maybe that's not such a good thing...
I heard all this about Jordan Dykstra.
Remember when we use to recruit against the power schools? That's why all the other big 12 coaches love McD. They don't have to worry about losing anybody to him.
JP, make the decision that has to be made.
+10000000000
It's no wonder why we suck so bad!!!! I do remember when we used to recruit big time players. Adam Koch would get ate alive in an 18 game big 12 season. sorry
2 games stud. And ISU is so good.
I don't think I exaggerate. Why would anyone think that ISU fans wanted them to come and it is a great atmosphere with great fans. Let's see, in the posts getting homesick is discussed, fire the coach, denigrates a good player at UNI that he was compared to, denigrates the coach's recruiting choices (that means the recruit himself also), denigrates the whole program, denigrates former players, and says the recruit is not good enough based on other early offers. That really shows love to the recruit and the program doesn't it?
How do I admit that it's a factor? See this post for clarifcation.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...-recruit-coming-iowa-state-2.html#post1667685
Did you ask him if his kid not coming here had anything to do with the incompetence? It might hurt recruiting, but it certainly isn't the reason a recruit wouldn't come here.
If i enjoy a restaurants food, service and location I will probably go there even if I don't like there wine list.
If we won games, had a good direction and didn't have the worst coach in any BCS conference, recruits would still come no mater what the message boards say.
Crazy isn't it? If you say on the internet what is already clearly in the open for anyone to see, your a bad fan because you think we can do better than Greg and you have the audacity to say it. :no:
People, the fans aren't the problem. ISU BB fans are passionate and knowledgeable, that is a good thing.
Here are quotes from the first 75 posts in one thread about a recruit. I didn't think it was worth going much farther.
Well atleast he wont get home sick.
Never know. Clayton Vette was from Waverly and he thought that was too far away.
Isn't Waverly about the same distance from Ames as CR?
Creighton and Albany? Seriously?
Who doesn't want to be a Cyclone??
Lucca Staiger, Marcus Brister, Clinton Mann, Clayton Vette, Wes Eikmeier, Justin Hamilton, All this years McDonalds All-American team, Dominque Buckley, all of next years McDonalds All-American team.....the list goes on.
Wait, maybe all of those guys want to be a Cyclone but they just don't want to play for our current coach. I don't blame them.
I guess it really doesn't matter to you if he is a project or not. You will be gone by the time he takes the court if he comes to ISU. You will cease being A Cyclone fan as soon as Gmac gets the boot after next season.
I'm surprised I have never heard of this guy. Iowa high school basketball is a small world. For most D-I recruits, you have at least heard of them by this point in their careers, such as Marsden, Thompson, Haluska, Horner, Brunner, Gatens, etc.
Hopefully he is just a late bloomer, a la Justin Hamilton. Wait, maybe that's not such a good thing...
I heard all this about Jordan Dykstra.
Remember when we use to recruit against the power schools? That's why all the other big 12 coaches love McD. They don't have to worry about losing anybody to him.
JP, make the decision that has to be made.
+10000000000
It's no wonder why we suck so bad!!!! I do remember when we used to recruit big time players. Adam Koch would get ate alive in an 18 game big 12 season. sorry
2 games stud. And ISU is so good.
I don't think I exaggerate. Why would anyone think that ISU fans wanted them to come and it is a great atmosphere with great fans. Let's see, in the posts getting homesick is discussed, fire the coach, denigrates a good player at UNI that he was compared to, denigrates the coach's recruiting choices (that means the recruit himself also), denigrates the whole program, denigrates former players, and says the recruit is not good enough based on other early offers. That really shows love to the recruit and the program doesn't it?I put jimlad in so that it would be clear.
About half of these are based on the program and Mac's failures, not the kid. I have no problems with people railing on the program the way it is right now. If fans didn't do that, there would be little incentive to change. I think it's a far greater indictment of a fan if they don't have any passion.. I mean, we are on a site called Cyclone FANATIC, right? As long as we don't turn into Philly fans and throw batteries at opposing players, I think passion is a good thing to have in a fan base.
I ask you to look at the Jordan Railey thread, our most recent recruit. There are zero direct attacks on the kid. I think for the most part, people remain positive, if you have a couple of people who have criticism, does that outweigh all the positive? So much so that a recruit would actually go to a program that feel is less suited for their game, but who's fans will worship them blindly?