Another potential OC hire- Nick Quartaro
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Nobody is going to come in year 1 and magically turn an already poor OL great, especially when there are that many injuries. He has a proven track record of success. There's no telling if that will translate to OC success here, but he certainly wasn't a mediocre to poor JC and D2-3 coach like Mess.
They did something like 21, 29, 24, 22, and 29 with him as OC.
A couple seemingly decent years, but nothing blowing you out of the water.
No idea on their OOC schedule those years to fatten up those scores early, and don't really remember much about the defenses from that era in the north either. NU was bad most years, ISU was pretty good in 04/05. Mizzou/K-State(???) CU I seem to recall in 03/04 was pretty decent.
I would agree with this. KW kind of walked into a crap hole in IU, but he is a good coach and a very good OC.
I don't think Mangino is a good idea. First look what happened to him at KU, CPR prides himself on caring about his players. The players and recruits all site this as why they love playing for him. So imo hiring Mangino, who got let go because of how he treated his players is counterproductive to this message.
drednot, as Luth said above coach K was the OL and OC at Nevada while Kapernick was there so yes technically he did coach him.
oh for sure. Wilson would be a great hire. Not sure about Littrell. He doesn't coach the QBs at Indiana. I'd look at Kevin Johns. Coaches QBs and WRs. Lots of Midwest ties. Recruiting coordinator at Northwestern. Places we want to recruit harder by the looks of it hitting Wisconsin, Illinois, and Minnesota harder this year. I wouldn't mind adding him to the staff somehow. No doubt we would pay more. Indiana's coordinators each coach 2 positions.
Thats fine and it makes sense and I agree with all that. But why then, does pr constantly say " we need to call better plays"
Mangino is 57, it would probably be for 2 seasons that he would be here, he wants to be a head coach again. Who knows if that will happen with his age. Sounds like he has has gone through a few changes, including trying to get a bit more healthy. Three years after KU, Mark Mangino returns to roots with new view on coaching - KansasCity.com
I'd actually take Kevin Johns over Littrell. Didn't realize he was Co-OC. Has a pretty impressive resume. What really sticks out to me about the guys Rhoads should be going after is success at a non-traditional BCS program, such as Indiana or Northwestern.
I also don't like the Mangino idea. He may be a good coach, but he obviously has had a lot of issues. He just carries way too much weight (pun intended), IMO. Plenty of good OC's Rhoads could go after who don't have a concerning background.
I mean, you realize the coaches are a huge reason why there is such a big talent gap right now, right? It's like some people around here only think they do coaching like in the NFL.
Umm...the coaches are the reason there's so much less of a talent gap than there was, say, four years ago.
Duh.
And here I opened this thread to mention that these threads are getting as bad as the "another potential transfer" threads in the hoops forum... :wink:
Interesting. The staff just hosted a whole slug of JUCOs for the KU game. JUCOs are typically brought in if there are concerns that the existing talent at some position or positions isn't quite ready to play at a high level. How many of those JUCOs were offensive players? That tells me all I need to know about what Rhoads thinks of our offensive talent. And if our struggles aren't talent-based, then...
What about the history of Rhoads, or the history of other ISU coaches, makes you think he'll fire Mess? There are coaches on this staff that have deserved some review before this season even occurred.
Then they're because of the rash of injuries.
Congrats. I knew you'd get there eventually!
No doubt injuries have been a huge factor, but Rhoads himself has made many comments along the way that suggest he believes that coaching has been a big contributor to the offensive failures as well. Some here have been trying to dismiss the criticisms of playcalling as naive and an overly-simplistic diagnosis of our offensive issues. Yet Rhoads has highlighted playcalling in several postgame and weekly pressers.
Well, if you want to go with that type of argument, apparently there's been a "rash of injuries" since Seneca;s senior year.
Umm...remind me again, how long has the coaching staff been here?
This is not true, for two reasons.
One, because while CPR has at time acknowledged his own questions about the play calling, to call that concern a "big" contributor is a clear exaggeration.
Otherwise, show me the exact quote.
Two, in case you haven't noticed, more than once this season--including last Saturday night--he has commented on what a great job of playcalling Courtney Messingham did that night.
Or, do some of you just pick and choose which quotes you pay attention to?
I've listened to every postgame (both radio and with the full media) and every weekly presser. I don't listen for information to support my own opinions. I listen for evidence of what CPR's takeaways were for that particular game. By far, Rhoads was more frequently concerned with the offensive coaching than he was satisfied, and you don't have to read between the lines or have selective hearing to come away with that conclusion.