I'd laugh it off and walk away because apparently I'm not as tightly wound as you.
Are you suggesting I should act like a pompous *** to show you how wrong you are for calling me a pompous ***? Because that's exactly what's happening in this thread.
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I'd laugh it off and walk away because apparently I'm not as tightly wound as you.
Are you suggesting I should act like a pompous *** to show you how wrong you are for calling me a pompous ***? Because that's exactly what's happening in this thread.
I don't know what I wanted. That is why I deleted it. I apologize, now is it ok to While about Forde, because he owes us beer? If someone owes me a beer that is a whole different story!
I agree with everything he said. The “woe is me” attitude is getting ridiculous. Forde wasn’t completely unjustified in saying Ames in the worst Big 12 town. Sure, we all have our own emotional attachment to Ames, but looking at it objectively it is a very rural town with limited things to do. Beyond that, it is one person’s opinion—who cares?
Another example that comes to mind is the complaining about Lazard’s ranking. The conspiracy theory that he was dropped because of his commitment is ridiculous. Look at the rankings, there is a Top 5 guy right now who is committed to UVA, who had a losing record last year. There are a ton of rational reasons why this happened, but lets go with the "recruiting services are out to get Iowa State" theory, because that seems most plausible.
To me, many Iowa State fan’s have the athletic version of depression. We have so many great things going for us right now (CPR, Fred, we are still in the Big 12, SEZ talks, etc.), why dwell on the few negatives?
Another example that comes to mind is the complaining about Lazard’s ranking. The conspiracy theory that he was dropped because of his commitment is ridiculous. Look at the rankings, there is a Top 5 guy right now who is committed to UVA, who had a losing record last year. There are a ton of rational reasons why this happened, but lets go with the "recruiting services are out to get Iowa State" theory, because that seems most plausible.
To me, many Iowa State fan’s have the athletic version of depression. We have so many great things going for us right now (CPR, Fred, we are still in the Big 12, SEZ talks, etc.), why dwell on the few negatives?
we have a larger fanbase now, made up of the fanatics, the fringe and the crazies. ALL fanbases have the loons, hell think of the trees at Boomer Corner....Or the Giants fan beaten at the dodgers game
I think the brave internet citizens defending CyclONE Nation come with being a bigger fanbase.
I think the brave internet citizens defending CyclONE Nation come with being a bigger fanbase.
Last time I checked doing anything behind the anonymity of a username wasn't brave. Even if it is on twitter or through an email where you used your own name you still are using a medium to do it call out somebody you more than likely don't know.
I'm not going to go as far as LaGesse but I expect Midwestern people and the ISU fan base to be better than the idiot that poisoned a bunch of trees and the thugs that almost killed a guy, there's absolutely no rationalizing that.
Sports are never worth going crazy about in a negative way unless you're Uncle Rico. It's entertainment -- sports exist for our amusement.
LOL at the victim mentality in this thread.
But his column referred to all of "Cyclone Nation" - as if the majority of the entire fan base needs to take a chill pill...that's nonsense. It's obvious La Gesse checks this board frequently, and that's hardly representative of Cyclone fans in general.
I take some exception to him including the KU aftermath in this article, not because all of that was OK, but it really was a different situation than the rest of what he talked about. Otherwise, he makes a good point. When I started at ISU in '05 it felt like we had this fun "little fanbase that could" vibe. When we did stuff like swarm the "most dominant mascot" poll it was done in a good-natured way. Somewhere along the line we became just successful enough to stop having a sense of humor about ourselves, and what was once charming enthusiasm has turned into ugly oversensitivity.
Pat Forde dumped on Ames and a lot of other towns in other conferences because he wanted the responses and"hits." Why even name the worst towns in a conference otherwise? If he felt there was any value to these pieces he could just name the top three or something. Not really sure why it is a big deal for the fans to respond in the way the writer goaded them into doing and that somehow making them bad fans,
Trubune guy appears to be doing the same thing, trying to **** people off.
Trubune guy appears to be doing the same thing, trying to **** people off.
Pat Forde dumped on Ames and a lot of other towns in other conferences because he wanted the responses and"hits." Why even name the worst towns in a conference otherwise? If he felt there was any value to these pieces he could just name the top three or something. Not really sure why it is a big deal for the fans to respond in the way the writer goaded them into doing and that somehow making them bad fans,
Just because someone tries to goad you into acting like an idiot doesn't mean you have to take the bait.
He said, "Clone fans are known as fun-loving folk that the rest of the conference enjoys tailgating with."
This is only true because we are the bottom of the big 12. Other team's fans expect to beat us every time, and don't consider us any type of true threat or rival. If/when we ever get to a point where we are consistently competitive and winning against these team, we will no longer be the fan base that other teams' fans think are good company.
This is only true because we are the bottom of the big 12. Other team's fans expect to beat us every time, and don't consider us any type of true threat or rival. If/when we ever get to a point where we are consistently competitive and winning against these team, we will no longer be the fan base that other teams' fans think are good company.
I'm curious to see examples of idiotic comments made by people responding to Forde & Ubben. Do you have examples handy or is anyone who takes umbrage with Forde simply whining?
Just curious what comments are off limits... Any/all complaints? Requests for criteria? Criticism of anyone who is paid to publish their opinion?
I have seen plenty of people citing the list that has Ames pretty high up on best college towns in America. Of course Ames also did well in smartest towns. Forde did absolutely no research and organizations that do reach far different conclusions. For all we know, Forde was bemoaning an absence of whorehouses in his rankings.
I didn't love the article by any means, but I agree with a lot of what was said. There are a heck of a lot of whiny ISU fans who take things too seriously and get ultra defensive, all the time... Pat Forde slideshow, bush-league, but who cares? It's a damn slide show and I wouldn't mind keeping Ames the hidden gem that it is. Who cares what other people think about Ames, it only matters what it means to you. EJ dunk last year at KU game, crappy beyond belief, especially considering the blown calls, but that never warrants stuff being thrown on the floor, and certainly doesn't warrant a booster losing his cool and going off on Bill Self and embarrassing all of us... Or the two goons that posted racial things on twitter immediately after the game... I will say I was fairly proud of CF for the immediate response to those idiots.
Bobby is just looking for the ideal cyclone fan base. Passionate, good sports, and not so damn defensive all the time. Frankly I think a lot of it comes down to confidence. It would be a good time to show a little confidence in your ISU fansculinity... Just like confident guys who go to the store and are willing to pick up panty liners and tampons, sometimes we need to just get over ourselves and know that we're man/fan enough to let these things slide... Besides, I'm a much bigger fan of being proactive, inviting Forde to Ames, and showing him what a great place it is. Whining and internet bullying safely from your cpu next to your industrial size bag of cheetos in your tighty whities (now a shade of orange) is easy. Taking action and illustrating first hand how great of a place Ames is, or how we are still a classy fan base when wronged, goes a lot further in my opinion.
Bobby is just looking for the ideal cyclone fan base. Passionate, good sports, and not so damn defensive all the time. Frankly I think a lot of it comes down to confidence. It would be a good time to show a little confidence in your ISU fansculinity... Just like confident guys who go to the store and are willing to pick up panty liners and tampons, sometimes we need to just get over ourselves and know that we're man/fan enough to let these things slide... Besides, I'm a much bigger fan of being proactive, inviting Forde to Ames, and showing him what a great place it is. Whining and internet bullying safely from your cpu next to your industrial size bag of cheetos in your tighty whities (now a shade of orange) is easy. Taking action and illustrating first hand how great of a place Ames is, or how we are still a classy fan base when wronged, goes a lot further in my opinion.
Open CF letter to Bobby:
While I agree somewhat with your general message, Bobby, I do take offense to certain aspects.
The first being the general tone of the article. Beginning with the use of "you" as in us, the cyclone faithful, and not including yourself in that group. Already you have taken a position outside of the fanbase. This is the type of article that should come from within and if that was not your intent, it certainly came off that way. If Chris Williams or Brent Blum had written this editorial, it would automatically given it much more credence. You cannot be an outsider in this situation. That just isn't how it works. Either you are oblivious to that or trolling the same way Ubben and Forde did.
Secondly, the Kansas game situation. Anyone who watched that unfold knows the incredible circumstance and can forgive the booing. The other actions beyond that made 99.9 percent of our fan base embarassed and apologetic.
Third, the comment about us returning to being "Clone fans are known as fun-loving folk that the rest of the conference enjoys tailgating with. They know how to have a good time." We are still those "fun-loving folk" but we have over the years gotten tired of being that in addition to the conference whipping boy. Competitively, we are no longer in that position and we don't deserve that treatment from other teams or the media. I'm sorry if we are no longer willing to sit back and take all of these slights in stride just because we have less tradition. Does that mean that we have less pride in our school or town or state?
Lastly, Bobby, you mention "poor form" in your article. Wouldn't it be considered poor form take similar pot shots at the fan base that you cover and are critiquing for misbehaving. Speaking to the younger sibling complex and second class citizen attitude was a little unnecessary. I know that you didn't make those accusations or call anyone those names directly but bringing them up to summarize your point seemed petty to me.
I have generally enjoyed your coverage of ISU athletics and will continue to read your articles in addition to the Trib, but feel that our case should be made in a civil manner, that we should feel offended by these types of things and that we, as Cyclone Nation, will not tolerate them any longer.
With hope for change,
PD
While I agree somewhat with your general message, Bobby, I do take offense to certain aspects.
The first being the general tone of the article. Beginning with the use of "you" as in us, the cyclone faithful, and not including yourself in that group. Already you have taken a position outside of the fanbase. This is the type of article that should come from within and if that was not your intent, it certainly came off that way. If Chris Williams or Brent Blum had written this editorial, it would automatically given it much more credence. You cannot be an outsider in this situation. That just isn't how it works. Either you are oblivious to that or trolling the same way Ubben and Forde did.
Secondly, the Kansas game situation. Anyone who watched that unfold knows the incredible circumstance and can forgive the booing. The other actions beyond that made 99.9 percent of our fan base embarassed and apologetic.
Third, the comment about us returning to being "Clone fans are known as fun-loving folk that the rest of the conference enjoys tailgating with. They know how to have a good time." We are still those "fun-loving folk" but we have over the years gotten tired of being that in addition to the conference whipping boy. Competitively, we are no longer in that position and we don't deserve that treatment from other teams or the media. I'm sorry if we are no longer willing to sit back and take all of these slights in stride just because we have less tradition. Does that mean that we have less pride in our school or town or state?
Lastly, Bobby, you mention "poor form" in your article. Wouldn't it be considered poor form take similar pot shots at the fan base that you cover and are critiquing for misbehaving. Speaking to the younger sibling complex and second class citizen attitude was a little unnecessary. I know that you didn't make those accusations or call anyone those names directly but bringing them up to summarize your point seemed petty to me.
I have generally enjoyed your coverage of ISU athletics and will continue to read your articles in addition to the Trib, but feel that our case should be made in a civil manner, that we should feel offended by these types of things and that we, as Cyclone Nation, will not tolerate them any longer.
With hope for change,
PD
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