All-Century Team

All right, i'll start the first controversy. When was Fred Hoiberg an all-American? Or maybe the better question is: what constitutes being an all-American?

I don't believe he was first, second, or third-team all-American via AP in his final season. He might have been on the honorable mention list, but that's a pretty long list...at least 50 players, on top of the 15 that make 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team all-American.

Grayer, i remember, was 2nd team all-American his senior year, as was Jamaal Tinsley. The only player on the list that i know for certain was a 1st team all-American was Marcus Fizer.

Can someone explain the criteria for being all-American?


HMMMM. I think you have a good point. This makes us look like we were stuffed with All-Americans. Maybe he was selected because he was dfrom Ames and he was mayor. Maybe some of these people were pre-season all amrerican in Dun and Bradstreet, not Kodak or Bob Hope all american.
 
I actually would consider writing in Kenny Pratt...I know he was a thug, but I just got threw watching the NCAA Tournament game against Cinci, and he was one of the best post scorers I have ever scene and he was only about 6'4"...
 
I'm only a high schooler so I don't know a lot of the older guys but I voted for Stinson, Sullivan, Cato, Hornacek, Willoughby, Alexander and one of my favorite cyclones MICHAEL NURSE. I know he wasn't the greatest players but he was a key part of that elite eight team. I remember going to the first two rounds at Minneapolis and the team was sitting together watching the UCLA game. I was getting autographs and got Hawkins and some others who didn't play much. Horton was the next one to sign and then Tinsley but they had to leave for practice. I was walking back to my seat and Nurse was walking down the stairs and asked me if I wanted his autograph. I said yes of course and loved watching him that year and wished he would've been a junior.
 
My question is why is Jackson Vroman on this list? I mean yeah, he was a good player and all, but I really don't like the idea of someone on our "All-Century" team who had a OWI and a possession of weed charge during his career at ISU.
 
Hornacek should be an automatic, no matter the criteria, in my opinion. Willoughby has to be right up there in votes too. So many great choices, not to mention some memories of awesome games played! The wife mentioned Thigpens' last second shot at Minnesota after the scoreboard pass. What a hoot!
 
No, that was Sam Mack who later transferred to Arizona St. and got in trouble there too.

Actually if you go by the criteria set forth Sam Mack should be included, he played in the NBA. The player not getting any mention in this forum that I can not believe did not apparently score 1000 points as a 4 year starter is Gary Thompkins. He came in with Grayer and both started all 4 years, he played the point allowing Hornacek to move to the off guard. The Big 8 was loaded in the years that Grayer was here so being 1st team All Conf was tough to achieve maybe tougher than other era's.
 
No way Sullivan should be on this list. He was on good teams and terrible teams. The only time he did anything good was when he was with Tinsley and he took all the pressure off. After that he thought he had to win the games and was terrible. Horrible at creating his own shot, but was determined to do it. terrible at D but always tried to guard the best player.

Don't get me wrong, great character and role model, but not all century material. There are just better players out there. Guys like Willoughby, Hornacek and Cato who carried the team to victories while being touted as "one of the best on the team" should get the recognition.

Exactly right, people on here voting for him are voting with their heart and not their brains. Terrible defender, could not create his own shot, and often struggled in Big 12 play. I like Jake, but he is remembered a lot more fondly because of the way he looks than the actual quality of his play. Michael Nurse was a MUCH better player than Jake Sullivan, and he might not even make the all century cut.
 
Exactly right, people on here voting for him are voting with their heart and not their brains. Terrible defender, could not create his own shot, and often struggled in Big 12 play. I like Jake, but he is remembered a lot more fondly because of the way he looks than the actual quality of his play.

I agree. I was at the game in Columbia, MO the night that Larry had the infamous photos snapped and I'm still maintaining that Sullivan drove him to it! We had a six point lead with two minutes to play and ended up with a four point loss. Jake took a couple of ill-advised shots during that ten point swing and I thought Eustachy was going to blow...

I've been watching Cyclone basketball since 1979 and Sullivan wouldn't be in my top ten quarter-century team...
 
Sullivan deserves some consideration because he did shoot the three better than anyone else ever has at ISU and cracked the top ten in total points. He did have some flaws but I think an argument could be made for him.

On my list I had a lot of the usual suspects that have already been mentioned. My original list had 14 and I started cutting guys from there and honestly I kind of forgot everybody that ended up on my final ballot. I tried to give bonus points to first-team all-conference selections since that is a decent way to compare eras.

The one guy I had that hasn't been mentioned much is Stinson but he put himself up fairly high in a lot of all-time lists even with only playing three years.
 
I will go with:

Kelvin Cato
Jeff Hornacek
Dedric Willoughby
Barry Stevens
Loren Meyer
Curtis Stinson
Will Blalock
 
Has anyone considered Stevie Johnson? It isn't obvious in the box scores, but he was a major anchor on that Elite 8 team. Seemed like he was always making the hustle plays and always getting the loose ball.
 
I had Vince Brewer (fond memories), Bill Cain, Jeff Hornacek, Barry Stevens, Ron Harris, Robert Estes (personal favorite), and Dedric Willoughby.
Close to write-ins were Ron Virgil and Dave Collins. I remember seeing Dave Collins block a dunk attempt by Clifford Ray (6-2 vs 6-9) in the Armory one night. Good times.
 
as long as nobody votes for Paul Shirley, I'll be happy. He said in one of his blogs that he could care less about Iowa State...I almost want his playing time stricken from the record books for that comment!

however, my seven are:

Hornacek
Willoughby
Alexander
Cato
Michalik
Stevens
Thigpen

Being in the younger crowd of ISU fans (21), Thigpen was the first Cyclone I remember seeing in person. He really got me started on ISU basketball. I met Michalik a couple times, and he is simply a grade A human being to go along with being a great player and superb teammate (not to mention a successful coach overseas).
 
Holloway, Estes, Rhodes, Skoglund, Hornacek, Pearson, Harris

LaFester Rhodes gets in based on Rule 54.
 
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as long as nobody votes for Paul Shirley, I'll be happy. He said in one of his blogs that he could care less about Iowa State...I almost want his playing time stricken from the record books for that comment!

He's very loyal to Larry Eustachy and feels like his firing was unforgivable. I don't think he is anywhere close to good enough compared to the others on the list anyway.
 
I don't feel like I know enough about older players but I'd include the Mayor, Fizer, Tinsley, Hornacek, Cato, Grayer and big Vic
 

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