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[LonoClone]

So... He is a potential customer right??? And his parents are customers.. So... ISU is saying we don't want new customers??? Or if your not a customer, even though you buy stuff and your parents are customers, that we don't want you here??

He shared his opinion and someone like Pollard SHOULD TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

He did much more than share his opinion. He was belligerent, demanding and rude. Why should Rainey get a pass for this?

He was threatening to take away something that he never gave in the first place. That's not how threats work. Jamie called him on it. Rainman, obviously didn't enjoy being shown the flaw in his argument, and decided to whine to the media.

Personally, I am much more inclined to donate additional money to the Athletic Department today, than I was yesterday. I freakin love it.

 

[bellzisu]

You could voice it. It wouldn't do any good. That tax excuse is BS. I think about 5% of the budget is supported by taxes so you have a pretty insignificant amount of money going to the AD. Also since you mentioned it you should probably thank JP for lowering that small amount you pay through taxes.

Look at this from the other side. If you buy season tickets and donate, do you think the people who do neither should have the same voice as you? Is that fair? I tend not to think so.

ISU's budget is $43,000,000 and they get 5%... That is still 2,150,000 a year... Which easily supports Gmac and the rest of the coaches...

 

[Tre4ISU]

Then they should just follow through with the regents direction and completely cut off the tax money, since it's insignificant.

If I'm an alum and you're not, do I get a bigger voice for helping keep the institution viable and allowing sports to exist?

I said the money is rather insignificant to you. As a whole it isn't as insignificant.

I'm not sure if I understand your question. Rephrase please.

 

[marothisu]

I can't imagine any parents approving of the smart-aleck, snotty tone of that email to an AD, from a dependent 20-year son. Sorry.

Well, believe it or not...when someone turns 18 years old, some parents say "well, you can make your own decisions now. You are an adult." They might not agree with it, but he didn't do anything illegal.

If I did that, and my parents found out, they'd probably tell me it's not wise, but it's my decision now that I'm an adult and I will hopefully learn from it and learn how to better structure my words next time.

 

[CycloneErik]

God knows I never agree with you, and I'm in the same boat. If I sent an e-mail to Jamie right now like that and my mom found out about it, she'd whoop my ***.

Forwarding the e-mail was pure bush league anyways. Sounds like an attention scam.

That's exactly it. He didn't like the answer, so he sends it on to folks that like to stir it up. And now we're sitting here giving him what he wants.

 

[Tre4ISU]

ISU's budget is $43,000,000 and they get 5%... That is still 2,150,000 a year... Which easily supports Gmac and the rest of the coaches...

Insignificant to the individual compared to the rest of your taxes. Not insignificant to the institution.

 

[simply1]

I said the money is rather insignificant to you. As a whole it isn't as insignificant.

I'm not sure if I understand your question. Rephrase please.

The entire tax budget itemized is relatively insignificant, that doesn't stop me from speaking to my elected representatives about concerns I have, even if i only contribute a dollar or two in total. I don't hold the AD any less accountable.

Should alums have more input in these matters than non-alums?

 

[bellzisu]

As long as we're using each other's logic...

My dad owns a Chevy. I've sat in it for years, but own a Honda myself.

I saw the interior of the 2010 Malibu the other day. I don't like it. If I send a snippy message to Ed Whitacre demanding that he rip out, redesign and re-release the Malibu at great expense to the shareholders, and inform him I will not buy another Chevrolet until this demand is met, should GM stop production immediately and do what I say?

I mean, I'm a potential customer, right? They should BOW to me.

No... not exactly.. Why would the GM guy have to respond to you??? I had 2 points.

1. Don't **** off potential customers

2. Why respond to this non customer if your Pollard.

Take the high road and don't respond or send some stupid for letter saying thanks your opinion is important to us. Signed Jamie.

 

[IcSyU]

Ok... So what is his motive MR. CSI on making up an elaborate email to just **** off Jamie Pollard??

If this was a false email I would think someone like Pollard would address something that grew this fast. Especially since this could hurt business.

I'm not saying it's a fake e-mail. I'm saying the chances he remember Hoiberg? Slim to none. The ticket he bought for the Missouri game that doesn't exist? Every time we're in a close game we lose? I can think back to Saturday and that's wrong, although I know that was a very rare occasion. He can't spell any of the players' names, so he can't be that big of a fan. Mike Taylor's new coach? Like, in D-League? Great point! He "feels bad" for people he never actually saw play or coach? Dynasty? When the hell has Iowa State been a dynasty? I'm 20 and to an extent understand, but what the hell? Maturity is a beautiful thing when exercised.

Look at this from the other side. If you buy season tickets and donate, do you think the people who do neither should have the same voice as you? Is that fair? I tend not to think so.

You mean I should've called up the head honchos at Arthur Anderson and Enron even though I didn't have a vested interest in them? No way!

This would be like the general public voting for the board of directors for a publicly traded company.

 

[Bubbahotep]

I'm 28 now... and at 20 there is no way in hell I could of donated... Heck I can barely now with my companies situation.

So using your logic.....


If I stop buying season tickets, but still make a few games, that I should completely shut up about all stuff ISU??? Not complain, not buy merchandise or anything.

That's what this board is for, venting your frustrations. If you want to make waves in the athletic department, you need the money to back it up. that's just how life is. Sending a negative e-mail is your right, but don't expect him to do your bidding because you are ****** about what he is doing, or howthings are going. I think it says quite a bit that he even responded. At least he is reading his e-mails.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Well, believe it or not...when someone turns 18 years old, some parents say "well, you can make your own decisions now. You are an adult." They might not agree with it, but he didn't do anything illegal.

If I did that, and my parents found out, they'd probably tell me it's not wise, but it's my decision now that I'm an adult and I will hopefully learn from it and learn how to better structure my words next time.

Does that involve buying season tickets or not or is this just simply for your part of the argument.

 

[tiberius]

in fact i have bought a ticket or two, just not directly from the athletic office however i am not sure thats correct, since i bought one to the nebraska home football game two seasons ago.

At first I thought it must be a hawk plant, but if he bought home tickets to the nebraska game 2 seasons ago he must be a husker.

 

[aauummm]

EXACTLY...... a point being missed because he isn't personally a ticket holder currently.

So you start donating to have a voice and they still sell you the same garbage.

So why not buy season football tickets? Contribute to the Gridiron Club. There are many ways to support the Cyclones without supporting the MBB program if the Raineys don't want to.

 

[marothisu]

Does that involve buying season tickets or not or is this just simply for your part of the argument.

No, I'm just saying not all parents would react the same way as he would if it was his kid doing it. Some would take a proactive approach and some would say "you're an adult, but what you did it stupid, however it's your own deal. Welcome to the real world. See what happens when you do it to the wrong person."

 

[superfan]

As has been mentioned, ISU is not in a position to be alienating fans, period. But that is the only possible outcome of Pollard providing this response.

On the contrary. I'm probably going to up my donation because of this. Moreover, I'm probably going to send it in a box with some freshly baked cookies.

I think it's funny that being part of the solution (what is the solution exactly?) is contributing money to a failing coach?

The "solution" would be either dealing with the fact that he's the basketball coach next year, or ponying up enough money so that ISU has the $2,000,000 to buy out his contract at the end of next season.

If you want a Ferrari, you better be willing to put up Ferrari money. If you're shopping for one with $10K in your pocket, it's going to be a looooooong search.

 

[Tornado man]

He did much more than share his opinion. He was belligerent, demanding and rude. Why should Rainey get a pass for this?

A buddy who goes to games with me (and his season tix are in my name) also wrote JP an email, after the Monday announcement, expressing his frustration with Gmac coming back. Knowing him as I do, I'm sure it was a respectful, concise, and logical letter.
I'll be interested in seeing the tone of JP's response, if there is one...

 

[aauummm]

A buddy who goes to games with me (and his season tix are in my name) also wrote JP an email, after the Monday announcement, expressing his frustration with Gmac coming back. Knowing him as I do, I'm sure it was a respectful, concise, and logical letter.
I'll be interested in seeing the tone of JP's response, if there is one...

I'm sure it will be respectful, concise, and logical.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The entire tax budget itemized is relatively insignificant, that doesn't stop me from speaking to my elected representatives about concerns I have, even if i only contribute a dollar or two in total. I don't hold the AD any less accountable.

Should alums have more input in these matters than non-alums?

See, now there is a tough question. I don't know, probably not. This kid also does not go to school at ISU so he can't fall back on tuition. That is a tough question. I want to say tickets and donor status should decide but I cannot totally neglect alumni. I don't know.

 

[IcSyU]

A buddy who goes to games with me (and his season tix are in my name) also wrote JP an email, after the Monday announcement, expressing his frustration with Gmac coming back. Knowing him as I do, I'm sure it was a respectful, concise, and logical letter.
I'll be interested in seeing the tone of JP's response, if there is one...

You know as well as I do that this letter was far from respectful, concise, and logical. He treats Pollard with respect, he probably will get some back, no matter his age. You treat someone like ****, then expect them to be nice when they respond, and you cry about it and forward it to the media? That's called being a little ***** where I come from.

 

[bellzisu]

Insignificant to the individual compared to the rest of your taxes. Not insignificant to the institution.

It is a small amount but doesn't eveyone feel "entitled" if their taxes go towards something???? No different here. I feel if my taxes are used to fund roads, then I should be entitled to use them.

Just playing devils advocate on this.