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8bitnes said:
They still get a revenue share for our game and all the other conference members but they bring nothing back to the table. Would have rather had them in the tourney
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I don't really care about OU or Texas...but it is concerning to me that a conference gets punished for being deep. Meanwhile a league where every team with a pulse gets 6 automatic easy wins gets a boost.

Hoping BYU and Cincy don't catch fire because both are set up for success but just pretty average lately. We're getting Houston while they are on a roll and on average better than OU/Texas lately. Adding 3 good programs to the league doesn't help us in basketball, need more easy wins like every other conference had. Maybe UCF struggles and is an easy win here or there.

In football I feel like we need the league to be good and deep for survival. In basketball having 80% of your conference be good teams just sabotages things. I don't know if I can even compare it to other leagues in hoops because I don't think any of these 14 and 15 team conferences have ever entered league play with 11 or 12 good teams.
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
Most teams non conference schedules are weaker then their conference schedules which is why teams can rise and also teams tend to falsely be ranked in non con play due to preseason expectations. Also the Big12 got beat by the SEC in the challenge which can switch perceptions and the BIG smashed the ACC (even though it’s a down year) which helped perception.

Big12 is still the best conference with two one seeds and Tech all capable of making serious runs. After that there is a sizable drop off.
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How can you know this? Those teams were beating Big Ten teams and ranked or nearly ranked before they had to play each other. Iowa State won @KU if the refs call the most obvious goal tend you've ever seen.
 
bozclone said:
There is so much bias towards the Big Ten. Michigan should not be in the tourney. Several schools are more deserving.

Somehow Michigan is an 11 seed. Indiana is a 12 seed and they beat Michigan in the Big Ten tourney plus they have a better overall record. The only think Michigan has is a better conference record, but that can be skewed in the Big Ten.
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Rutgers and Notre Dame should not be in either. Definite media biases exist for some conferences. And Notre Dame.
 
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HFCS said:
How can you know this? Those teams were beating Big Ten teams and ranked or nearly ranked before they had to play each other.
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How can I know what? That the non cons are easier? They simply are for any power 5 school and they happened 3 months ago. Teams change over the course of the season and fall out of rankings during conference play all the time.
 
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There are 3 things I pulled from going to KC this last weekend about KU fans: ( other than being insufferable)..
1) They admit they stole the ISU game this year.
2) Cheating? What cheating? We are all good and fine.
3) None of them could explain to me what Rock Chalk means.
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
How can I know what? That the non cons are easier? They simply are for any power 5 school and they happened 3 months ago. Teams change over the course of the season and fall out of rankings during conference play all the time.
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I meant the bolded how can you know there is a big drop off in the Big 12? 70% of the conference was ranked or nearly ranked going into conference play. Iowa State was ranked high when it was beating Big Ten, Big East, SEC and AAC teams, often on the road or convincingly. Texas has done damage at times, TCU has even looked scary good at times. Obviously ISU has struggled with offense, but not as much out of conference. OK State can't play in the tournament but they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the bottom of other conferences. Nebraska or NW are drastically easier games than the worst Big 12 games.

Or are you saying a team like Texas is as good as any Big Ten team, and the drop off you're talking about is just down to the Big Ten teams that got in? I could see that. I mean I think Texas would be a coin flip with you, Iowa, Purdue, Illinois etc...but I don't see them as a Final Four or Elite Eight team.
 
HFCS said:
I meant the bolded how can you know there is a big drop off in the Big 12? 70% of the conference was ranked or nearly ranked going into conference play. Iowa State was ranked high when it was beating Big Ten, Big East, SEC and AAC teams, often on the road or convincingly. Texas has done damage at times, TCU has even looked scary good at times. Obviously ISU has struggled with offense, but not as much out of conference. OK State can't play in the tournament but they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the bottom of other conferences. Nebraska or NW are drastically easier games than the worst Big 12 games.

Or are you saying a team like Texas is as good as any Big Ten team, and the drop off you're talking about is just down to the Big Ten teams that got in? I could see that. I mean I think Texas would be a coin flip with you, Iowa, Purdue, Illinois etc...but I don't see them as a Final Four or Elite Eight team.
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I think the BIG doesn’t have any elite teams this year where the Big12 has 3. The rest of the league can lose or win on any given night same for the entire big ten.

The argument that the Big12 had so many ranked teams at the end of non con and thus beat up on itself is the same argument SEC football makes that gets shredded on here for espn bias. Good news is you are adding another 3 mediocre basketball teams to pad the stats in a couple years for some eaiser wins becuase I do agree the Big12 is a tough as nails conference right now.
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
I think the BIG doesn’t have any elite teams this year where the Big12 has 3. The rest of the league can lose or win on any given night same for the entire big ten.

The argument that the Big12 had so many ranked teams at the end of non con and thus beat up on itself is the same argument SEC football makes that gets shredded on here for espn bias. Good news is you are adding another 3 mediocre basketball teams to pad the stats in a couple years for some eaiser wins becuase I do agree the Big12 is a tough as nails conference right now.
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Agree, didn’t realize you were talking final four contender.

I don’t shred SEC football, that’s just truth. I mock that they play 8 games and schedule a late season patsy but that’s just smart strategy.

If the goal of the playoff is best teams they should have 2 in most years or 3-4 most years if expanded.

Cincy is average now but if they get back to their norm and Houston stays good it’ll still be a meat grinder, crazy amount of good coaches in the remaining 7 coaches even with Otz as unknown . I’m hoping they are all mediocre.
 
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HFCS said:
I don’t shred SEC football, that’s just truth. I mock that they play 8 games and schedule a late season patsy but that’s just smart strategy.

If the goal of the playoff is best teams they should have 2 in most years or 3-4 most years if expanded.

Cincy is average now but if they get back to their norm and Houston stays good it’ll still be a meat grinder, crazy amount of good coaches in the remaining 7 coaches even with Otz as unknown . I’m hoping they are all mediocre.
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I’m interested to see how Houston does against real competition for a whole season. The other three will have some good and some bad years like most programs but they will be middle/bottom half most of the time.
 
We will see if the Big 10 was deserving or not. The committee may have selected them, but they are not really set up for success. The bottom half isn't anyway. Rutgers, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State are going to all have an uphill battle to advance to the 2nd round. If they get half their teams to the Sweet 16 then I'd say fine, maybe they weren't so bad...
 
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Cyinthenorth said:
We will see if the Big 10 was deserving or not. The committee may have selected them, but they are not really set up for success. The bottom half isn't anyway. Rutgers, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State are going to all have an uphill battle to advance to the 2nd round. If they get half their teams to the Sweet 16 then I'd say fine, maybe they weren't so bad...
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Weirdly I think Michigan is actually best positioned to make a small run where they got seeded
 
Tornado man said:
That's ridiculous. Of course Rutgers belongs in the tourney.
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Are you being sarcastic?
18 game winner in play in game should be in for sure? Why is their resume better than OU? They were barely .500 out of conference and their non conference wasn't even difficult.

They were up and down like us and if we had just 18 wins we wouldn't be a lock in the slightest.
 
HFCS said:
They rank others with votes: 5 teams were ranked. Big 12 had 26 and 28 as well prior to start of conf play.
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Had this discussion too many times, but the fact is if they only vote on 25 the results can't accurately reflect more than 25 spots.
 
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HFCS said:
Big 12 had 7 teams in top 28 of AP poll when it had to start playing each other in a balanced round robin. Just sayin.
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Just look at Iowa versus Iowa St. We proved we’re a much better team and then they get to go into an incredibly easy conference, where we are playing top 28 teams basically every night. Now they get rewarded with an unearned higher seed.
 
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CyJack13 said:
Just look at Iowa versus Iowa St. We proved we’re a much better team and then they get to go into an incredibly easy conference, where we are playing top 28 teams basically every night. Now they get rewarded with an unearned higher seed.
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Just look at Kansas vs Dayton. Dayton proved they were the better team and went to an incredibly easy conference and didn’t even make the tournament, what does that say about the big 12 champion?

See how that works? You can’t make assumptions about a team or a conference based on one game 3 months ago.
 
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