Teams are getting more looks at open threes against ISU because they are able to, not because they are giving ISU their best shot. It's a schematic and perimeter player defensive discipline issue, not a "teams are paying more attention to us now" problem. The good news is that schematic and discipline in sticking to your assignment is fixable over time versus just crossing your fingers that teams are going to stop trying as hard to beat ISU.
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When almost every team you play is shooting well from three it no longer becomes "luck". Six of the last seven opponents have shot 39% or better from deep against ISU. Everyone hits a higher percentage of uncontested or lightly contested jumpers.
Even with that assistant coach we were 9th in the B12 in opponents 3 point percentage last year.
With how often we do that, I think it has to be how they are being coached, but I agree with you. An unnecessary double team in the post leads to a simple post entry pass getting us scrambling on d and usually ends with an opponent's open 3.
We're trying to work on staying on topic around here instead of derailing the conversation into talk about me and Kansas. Nothing to add about ISU's perimeter defense?
What's interesting is that our defense against WVU was simply amazing - some of the best I'd seen all year. So I'm not shocked that that was our best game.
That being said, I think it's just an energy thing. The guys don't look like they're giving any effort whatsoever on the defensive end. Unbelievably slow coming off screens - and it shows in those Selden three's how much we didn't care about defense against Kansas.
That being said, I think it's just an energy thing. The guys don't look like they're giving any effort whatsoever on the defensive end. Unbelievably slow coming off screens - and it shows in those Selden three's how much we didn't care about defense against Kansas.
Fred is all about mismatches and making teams play the way he wants them to play. Fred has talked about the doubles being a way to get guys (bigs) who aren't as comfortable passing to force difficult passes. I had hoped that when McKay was on board we would see less of it, but it is what Fred is coaching not some guards just having a hard time breaking a habit. Fred apparently feels that he has a better chance giving up some good looks from 3 and hurrying up the other team while getting a few turnovers to boot. It seems he has been burned on it but that is the strategy.
In most of those Seldon clips in the original post, the breakdown involves someone helping in some fashion but then failing to get back in position when the original situation resolves.
It's not on the next pass, but two passes later and someone hasn't gotten back in position yet.
It's not on the next pass, but two passes later and someone hasn't gotten back in position yet.
Excellent point and not a small one! In my lifetime anyway, ISU has always been the hunter not the hunted. I was a little shocked when the TT crowd stormed the court - I thought "wow I can't ever recall an opposing teams crowd storming the court, this is a big deal for them." We have arrived! The program has come miles in just a few years, but with that growth & exposure comes expectations along with a big fat bullseye on your back. As you stated, that might in part, help explain why opponents are playing out of their arse against us - definitely an adjustment for the program & fans alike.
In their defense, closing out strong on Selden probably wasn't identified as a major need in the game plan. He has been shooting pretty terrible this year.
Exactly. Seems like teams are very well prepared for the double. The break downs happen when we have 2 men scrambling to cover the kick out pass, and then the team makes the extra pass for wide open looks.
Not saying this argument is right or wrong but crap like this is where the "we have bad luck" comments originate. It seems like this happens every other game and it drives us nuts.
Your blind obsession is the topic. It is consistent with the other teams in this conference.
This may be true or it may not, but if we are going to entertain it as a possibility let's not get mad at KU fans when they claim that everyone is always up for playing them so they get everyone's best shot.
Yes, even tuco.
It's a myth used as an excuse when you're not on top. It's very real when you are. ISU is now circled on every team's schedule now as a resume building opportunity. Just as ISU was way more focused for the games against Kansas than the game against Texas Tech, teams are going to be more focused when they play ISU.
He was 6-12 from three in the three games previous to the ISU game. He had been getting it dialed in a little better lately so it didn't 100% come out of nowhere. It would be an interesting research project to see how many players have hit their season highs in points or threes made against Iowa State in the last few seasons. I can see how people feel a bit snake bitten after a while.
Part of someone coming out of nowhere might also be Fred playing the odds and trying to shut down a team's best 2 or 3 options and daring someone else to beat you or daring them to beat you in a way they are uncomfortable. Floyd used to do this all of the time, even using a box and 1 or triangle and 2 at times. Sometimes it works like a dream, other times it goes very, very wrong.
CycloneErik
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That may be part, but it wouldn't explain Greene, who has been going off for a while now.
We rotated slowly and left three-point shooters open. That's on us, but it's fixable.