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[KnappShack]

Since this has become a Seneca vs. Brock thing

If I had to choose between the two for a must win game....

Seneca, grab your helmet.

 

[flycy]

I disagree. Both are difference makers but Seneca was better, even in college. He didn’t have the supporting cast that Purdy has.

Brock is much more accurate, scrambles well keeps his eyes down field still throws a good ball, and is an above average runner. Seneca had a stronger but less accurate arm and had amazing running skills. Problem with that team is eventually all the players just watched what amazing thing Senaca would do. It became 1 on 11. Ill take Brock but can see the argument for Seneca.

 

[Aclone]

Brock is great. Troy Davis was a phenom.

Matt Blair was a freak.

Consider yourself trumped.

 

[hawthorncourt]

Seneca & Sage went on to play multiple seasons in the NFL. No one will ever break Troy’s records. Seneca was the only reason we were competitive in 2002. If you saw him play in person, you knew he was one of the most athletically talented people to ever wear cardinal and gold. Imagine what those guys could have done on an Alabama roster.

It’s still too early to crown Purdy, but yes- he will be one of the greats for sure.

if seneca was on an alabama team he would have had 4 championships

 

[Nihawk]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match over this because what is happening now is so fun...but...Earle Bruce coached in an era when Nebraska and Oklahoma were NEVER down, ever. One year Oklahoma, Nebraska and Colorado were 1, 2, 3 in the nation at one point. 8-3 3 years in a row and only got 2 bowl game invites because you didn't get invites for being mediocre (or worse).

I will say CW thinking the "modern era" of ISU football started with Mac is so cute.

1971 is when Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Colorado finished 1,2,3. ISU played in Sun Bowl.

 

[RedBlooded]

If Seneca and Kempt had a baby, it would be Brock. Brock is a great game manager, but Seneca was a freak athlete.

 

[PSYclone22]

If Seneca and Kempt had a baby, it would be Brock. Brock is a great game manager, but Seneca was a freak athlete.

Brock has more yards per run this year than Seneca had either of his two years.

 

[IASTATE07]

Brock has more yards per run this year than Seneca had either of his two years.

On about half of the attempts.

 

[SoapyCy]

Brock has more yards per run this year than Seneca had either of his two years.

I'm convinced nothing brock does will matter because people have an emotional tie to Seneca. Looking at Brock's superior stats doesn't take anything from Seneca at all.

 

[IASTATE07]

I'm convinced nothing brock does will matter because people have an emotional tie to Seneca. Looking at Brock's superior stats doesn't take anything from Seneca at all.

Says the person who called Brock Purdy the best player ever at Iowa State after an emotional win.

 

[cycfan1]

Since this has become a Seneca vs. Brock thing

If I had to choose between the two for a must win game....

Seneca, grab your helmet.

Well I would pick the one that actually won a must win game for us

 

[simply1]

Well I would pick the one that actually won a must win game for us

I love Brock, but he didn't win that game single handedly. The 2002 defense was like 78th nationally, and Seneca didn't have a RB on the Heisman watch list.

 

[FilthyShadow]

People have lost your minds - T. Davis, D. Davis, Crutchfield, Seneca, Sage, Montgomery all has good as or better than Purdy in their time.

 

[demoncore1031]

Agreed but it’s going to be hard to debate next year when he obliterates every QB stat in ISU history.

Have you seen our stat records? Sage Rosenfels is 8th all-time in career passing yards with 4,164. That is less than some college QBs put up in one year. Our record book is horrible and not just for quarterbacks, but a lot of players under Matt Campbell are starting to changing that.

Take a look.....

Iowa State Cyclones football statistical leaders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FilthyShadow]

B. Hall as good as Brock. Thank gawd that they are in the same backfield. If receiving corps still had a Butler and/or Lazard, O would be unstoppable.

 

[SoapyCy]

Here is what we can do: Find an objective metric to determine such things. I'll start, and since the OP already negates things like strength of arm or pure athleticism, which are hard to quantity outside of controlled environments, we'll need to find other measurable metrics to use.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Here is what we can do: Find an objective metric to determine such things. I'll start, and since the OP already negates things like strength of arm or pure athleticism, which are hard to quantity outside of controlled environments, we'll need to find other measurable metrics to use.

It's ridiculous, you can only go by wins then. Which under that premise is obviously Purdy.

 

[SoapyCy]

It's ridiculous, you can only go by wins then. Which under that premise is obviously Purdy.

Wins. Total yards. Completion percentage. Yards/completion. TD/Int ratio. Rushing TD. Passing TD.Total TD.

I'm having a hard time understanding why the person with the vast majority of these all-time school records is not the best simply because his arm strength may not be as good. People on here complaim about the "eye test" when it comes to CFP selection and then use that very same unmeasurable thing when the stats don't favor their chosen player.

Player X owning these stats don't make Player Y or Player Z a bad player.

 

[HFCS]

Since this has become a Seneca vs. Brock thing

If I had to choose between the two for a must win game....

Seneca, grab your helmet.

Its really hard to compare because the surrounding cast and overall discipline of the teams are night and day.

It's not an easy choice and the people who think it's easily Brock probably aren't seeing it in full context.

Brock will get the nod because of 4 year vs 2 year and it's a credit to him he could excel as a freshman.

 

[clonedude]

Seneca was on teams he made competitive that would have been bad without him. Bad QBs don't cash NFL checks for a decade. He didn't stick in the nfl because of his running, it was his elite arm.

Totally this ^^^.

Seneca wouldn't have lasted a single season in the NFL if he was just a freak athlete that could run. He didn't even run in the NFL much at all. And contrary to what people might think... he didn't want to run in college either.... he always said in college that he'd much rather throw it.

If Seneca couldn't throw with accuracy and power.... he never would have lasted a year in the NFL.