Think the most disappointing thing about this team is the complete lack of defense. They are on pace to be the worst defensive efficiency team at ISU from 2002-2018 on Ken Pom. The only one that was this bad was Morgan’s last year.
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Was Fred and X and O genius on offense? Perhaps, but let’s not forget our AdjO was slightly better in 2016 and 2017 than 2015, and overall similar to Hoiberg’s years. Fred’s real genius was putting together rosters that fit together on offense imo.
Even considering it’s a rebuild, we’ve been poor and inefficient on offense this year. Is there a chance Prohm didn’t do much more than rely on a roster formed by Hoiberg and that had multiple years of training under Hoiberg? That’s probably too bearish, as this team with a Georges gets appreciably more effective. Hopefully the previous two seasons are signs that if Prohm has the pieces he can get the quality of offense as Hoiberg, but I don’t think we know if he’s as apt at putting a team together or developing them into an efficient offense. And he’s proven nothing positive on defense this year, either.
Even considering it’s a rebuild, we’ve been poor and inefficient on offense this year. Is there a chance Prohm didn’t do much more than rely on a roster formed by Hoiberg and that had multiple years of training under Hoiberg? That’s probably too bearish, as this team with a Georges gets appreciably more effective. Hopefully the previous two seasons are signs that if Prohm has the pieces he can get the quality of offense as Hoiberg, but I don’t think we know if he’s as apt at putting a team together or developing them into an efficient offense. And he’s proven nothing positive on defense this year, either.
You must not remember the ISU vs Colorado game at Hilton in 2005. Both teams only had 44 at the end of regulation. That was an ugly game to sit through.
Also the finish in the Big 12 with a 10-8 record when Fred went 11-7 a couple of times like it was just a huge difference.
I've liked Prohm, didn't see Saturday's game but it sounds about like other games under him.
I was hoping, and it looked like, we'd see a team that was similar to the 2010-11 team that was teetering on good things but on the short end despite a great effort, but maybe find a way to have a better record. There's been lots of games where the team looked simply unprepared and poorly coached and really lacking an identity.
It's a definite pass this year but in the next one or two seasons if we're waiting 2-3 months to see an identity of the team then something's up.
Fair assessment. We just won't see eye to eye on this. Naz was a great cyclone and one of my favorites, but I would still say he was 6th best player on that team.
You don' need depth to reach the final four either. You put your best 5-7 out there and go for it, the tourney isn't a time to be pulling guys so they can rest.
He performed exactly what my expectations were, and that's the problem. It's too bad we didn't land a higher caliber player, Malou would have made a huge difference.
When Fred goes 11-7 and leaves a stacked team some people expect the next year to improve on that number, not regress.
Also, the reason we played Oklahoma is because we finished 5th. If we would have played well in regular season we wouldn' have been put in that situation in KC.
It was ugly, but at least it was close.
Edit: understand if you are talking offensive performance.
Haha, so they may have been put in a spot to win a game and then get beat since that's what happened to OU? I guess we can complain about Fred's last year too after he didn't finish better since he couldn't win in Lubbock.
The 'stacked' and 'elite' type of terms need to be thrown out in reference to 2014-16. They were decent teams on both ends of adjustments to a new coaching style/philosophy along with losing Naz and McKay being held accountable.
You would have hated Tim Floyd--got a 'stacked' team handed to him from Orr and went 6-8 in conference play.
Leaves a stacked team? It lost Naz and BDJ, and McKay for part of the conference play. You’re hung up on literally one game difference in conference play, while ignoring that Fred failed in the most important one-game situation the year before. There’s no difference in terms of a season’s success between 11-7 and 10-8, but a huge one between being upset by a bad midmajor in the first round and making the Sweet 16.
The reason we played UK and OSU in the second round is because we finished on the bubble. If we played well in the regular season we wouldn’t have been in that situation in the most important time of the year
Never stop Hating. The Devil's playground is idle hands and complacent facebook consumers.
I'm surprised by the degree to which people are giving Prohm the benefit of the doubt. I hope as much as anyone else that he turns it around but the effort problems are a huge red flag. Things are happening that haven't happened in a very long time, if ever. Another huge red flag. After the effort issue, the other problem is his seemingly passive stance on everything. Most of the other coaches in the league have a certain system that has proven successful over many years at multiple schools. When faced with players not buying in, those guys can point to their experience. Prohm doesn't have that. This notion that they need to find their identity is silly. They don't have an identity because he doesn't have an identity. What is a Steve Prohm team?
You could actually wait until he has his players, and your question about what his teams will look like will be answered.
But nah, irrational and unfounded criticism is much easier.
You had better not be chickenshit and run away if he starts winning. But I’m pretty sure you and the rest will be scarce
This is what I mean. It's actually the (profane--heh) defenses of him that are unfounded and irrational. There is no greater indictment of a college basketball coach than a team that lacks effort, lacks mental toughness--and we've all seen that numerous times this year--on their home floor, regardless of the record. This isn't the NBA--these guys are dictators. Every college team mirrors their coach. I'm genuinely perplexed by what people are seeing that would cause them to have confidence in him cause I haven't seen it. I'm no great expert so maybe I'm missing something. And I forgot about this site for years & just checked back in to comment because they've looked so weak.
Just here to take a hate meter measurement on the effort you sadsacks are putting into this thread.
