Agree.
Don’t think he would consider anything close to the $20 million mentioned earlier in the thread. Kirk will start negotiations with that $38 million figure, IMO.
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Don’t think he would consider anything close to the $20 million mentioned earlier in the thread. Kirk will start negotiations with that $38 million figure, IMO.
I have no dog in this fight, but you guys don't have alot of talent on offense right now.
Addison is good but you're going to rely on a rookie as your top receiver? Hockenson is good but it looks like teams are doubling him. You have absolutely no running game and a backup QB starting who barely knows the offense. I don't know what you are expecting until Jefferson comes back.
I hate to admit this, but I was at the game last night. Observations:
- Dobbs proved why he is a backup in the NFL
- KOC called nothing but pocket passer plays all night, Dobbs got killed. Dobbs is a RUNNING QB and they did nothing to accentuate that.
- Hock is so infuriating.. makes good plays and really bad ones. 4th and 7 and he runs a 6 yard route.
- Defense played well considering the constant holes Dobbs was putting them in.
- Bears are TERRIBLE... but give them 4 turnovers and they will make it close.
- Felt like I was watching Iowa against Nebby.
- The guy sitting behind he was AWESOME... yelling out his frustrations and he was really funny.
- The young married couple (mid 20s) sitting in front of me were at their 1st Vikings game and whined all night at the negative crowd. I was under the impression they have never been in public before. If I see them again, I'll suggest they bring a comfort dog. Good Lord. It's a football game for crying out loud.
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It does when you have a certain budget for the team you are on, and you know you will lose a budding young talent because your greedy boomer butt wants his fair share, even though he has averaged 30+mil a year for the past 8-10 years.
Either take below market value and be a part of something special, or go get paid elsewhere and rue the opportunity squandered.
He's made 231 million. So he, if he is so inclined, can afford to take less. I'm not holding my breath-- While he's the 10-15th best QB in the NFL, he's the GOAT of contract negotiations.
The NFL is very different than your standard career job though. Your company may have budgets for salaries, but generally the company can spend more on talent if they feel it is justified. A NFL team is capped on how much they can spend for talent. The organization has a better chance at performing better if they can price their best talent at reduced prices, spreading the costs amongst other people. Look at San Francisco: Their talented QB is making under $1 million a year, giving the team more resources to sign great talent around the QB on both sides of the ball.
It really comes down to what Cousins wants: does he want a shot at making a run to a Superbowl, or does he want to find a place that will pay him the maximum amount for his talents?
What percentage of people absolutely max out their value vs. taking jobs that are more enjoyable, have better work environments, etc? Not to say what all the options for Kirk are going to be. But it is possible that the option is a good situation in MN vs. a worse one but for more money.
And I'm not sure why people compare the situations of public figures, that compete publicly, that have public legacies and have made hundreds of millions to regular people.
The hometown discount happens all the time. Some players reach a point where they opt for the best situation. I think for Kirk he's had enough ego (like most guys do) and think they can take on this big boy cap hit and still deliver on a Super Bowl. He's been wrong on that. If he still has the delusion that he can soak up something like $35M on a SB team, then he's mistaken, and he'll be proven to be delusional. If he decides that making a SB run in his last couple of years is more important than squeezing out an extra 2-3% of lifetime earnings, then maybe a discounted deal with MN or elsewhere with a good roster is an option he considers.
I feel like you know what the other poster's point is and you're simply arguing. It's not uncommon for an established QB to take less than the max he can make in order to ensure the team has salary cap room to surround him with high level talent. Brady did it, Stafford did it, Brees did it. So have others.
He’s probably a top 8 qb at worst when healthy. Not saying I’d start a franchise with a 35 year old, but if he was 28 and playing like he was, he would be getting hyped as a top 3 franchise type QB.
I don't think there's been anything that has really gone right this year. Week 1 to now: having to deal with 10 guys on IR, Losing Jefferson, Losing Cousins AND the backup QB, starting the season with virtually zero run game and losing the guy you brought in to help (Akers), it's tough to have any consistency through a season.
The other side of this is the talent that was lost to stay under the salary cap. There was a lot that was cut from this team (some making sense, some not), so to expect any significant progress this year was kind of foolish, IMO.
The other side of this is the talent that was lost to stay under the salary cap. There was a lot that was cut from this team (some making sense, some not), so to expect any significant progress this year was kind of foolish, IMO.
I've been telling myself that for over 50 years
For better or worse, they could run it back a couple years, but even with a bit of a veteran home town discount with Cousins, there's going to be a ton of money tied up in Kirk, JJ, and Hock. Depending on Hunter, it could be interesting.
People compare QBs and put Kirk lower, but you can't really do a good job comparing a QB until they are on a big cap eating contract. QBs get evaluated on W/L. Well, that looks a whole hell of a lot different when you have a good QB with a low cap hit, vs. that same guy on a $40 M plus cap hit.
When you have great weapons, a good line and a good to great defense, it's easy for a QB to look good and win games. Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak, on and on. These are different levels of guys, but they all are having tougher times winning games now, and it isn't like they got worse.
For all the skills and obsession Brady had, one of his superpowers was willingness to take way less than market value. This was not a marginal thing, and probably is the difference between winning a couple of those Super Bowls and not. People talk all about the great things both Brady could do and all these great moves by the organization, but really you have the greatest QB of all time taking a salary that allows you to add 2-3 more All Pro guys. That pretty much dwarfs all the other personnel decisions.
LOL. Sadly these are both extremely accurate and why I didn't even watch...as a Bear fan.
I also hate to admit this but I actually felt SORRY for the fans (like you) that were in attendance. You lose the best receiver in the NFL, your starting QB, then have to watch your team struggle against a completely hapless franchise AT HOME which happens to be one of your biggest rivals.
But hey, it could always be worse. You could be a Bears fan (sigh).