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I’m still trying to reconcile how Stoops was completely unpalatable but Elko isn’t.

EDIT: Elko was a former A&M assistant I guess?

I’m guessing Stoops doesn’t have the flash that A&M would want with a coach who has a decade of head coaching history. You pretty much know what you’re going to get with Stoops at this point. And his record doesn’t exactly scream something that’ll beat Texas.

Elko on the other hand is still new, so there’s a little bit of an unknown there. He may be great, he may be mediocre. But their objectives are to beat Texas and win SEC championships, something that Stoops probably wouldn’t do.

I’m actually more interested in knowing the booster politics and behind the scenes of the dysfunction going on at A&M than I am in who they hire.
 

Would be curious if Matt Campbell's ability to turn around the Cyclones after a lot of close losses in 2022 influenced the Baylor AD's decision. Baylor lost a lot of close ones this year and it sounds like Baylor might become more aggressive in NIL- spending some money on elite talent.
 
Lebby official to Mississippi State:

New Mexico (Gonzales), UTEP (Dimel), and UL-Monroe (Bowden) all canned:


 
Would love to hear how a non-midwestern coach with a losing record wins out at Michigan state? He won’t have any relationships with the NIL money going to basketball. He might have one good year and then flame out. Good work Mich st.
Dantonio was at Cincy seemed to work out fine.
Odd that it sees like they didn't kick the tires on Candle at Toledo.
 
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Dantonio was at Cincy seemed to work out fine.
Odd that it sees like they didn't kick the tires on Candle at Toledo.
Mid-to-elite B10 and SEC schools aren’t going to go after G5 head coaches anymore (unless it’s Fickell who went to the CFP) I don’t think. They’re going to try to pluck from B12, ACC, P2, lower-level B10/SEC coaches. Or internal, highly-paid, well-respected assistants to retain recruiting classes and prevent transfers. Indiana might take a swing at Candle.

What surprised me is that the Stoops hire was so reviled, while Elko is ok. Like others have said, there had to have been some major, Succession-like dysfunction happening in the background.

I’m also guessing they were turned down by quite a few people (Dan Campbell, Lanning, Dabo?) because Elko is not as big of a name as some of their “peers” have landed (LSU, USC)
 
Odd that it sees like they didn't kick the tires on Candle at Toledo.
I don't know that Candle is a good coach. His record is great but....

Winning at Toledo is kinda like winning at Alabama when its running right. You have more money, more resources, more everything than anyone else in the MAC. And by a WIDE margin in most cases. All you really have to do at Toledo is not screw it up.

So, Michigan State therefore is not a great job because you are not going to have more resources than the biggest teams in the Big 10.

You are not going to get the top talent.
You are not the big fish in the pond in your conference.
You're not even one of the top 4-5 biggest fish.


That's why even though IDK how well it works out, Smith or someone like Elko, Campbell, etc makes perfect sense.

Guys who have proven they can develop kids / young men. Guys who can win at places that aren't the easiest to win at. Guys who can compete with the blue bloods without having the same resources. Smith has done that at Oregon State. Campbell's done it at Iowa State. Elko did it at Duke, Leipold, etc, etc.

Michigan State has more resources and pull than any of those schools. But its not out competing Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, etc... so it is a freaking home run hire in terms of personality and knowing who you are and what you need to be good.


Candle may turn out to be a very good coach. But he's winning in a place that always wins. And doing it at a place that always dominates or at least in modern memory.


I don't doubt that Kirby and Saban and Dabo are great coaches. But - IMO, the Campbell's, Elko's, Leipolds, Smith's, etc - are among the best coaches in football not because of their record or championships, but because of their ability to develop, identify and then compete against teams that have an easy button that they themselves don't have
 
What surprised me is that the Stoops hire was so reviled, while Elko is ok. Like others have said, there had to have been some major, Succession-like dysfunction happening in the background.

I’m also guessing they were turned down by quite a few people (Dan Campbell, Lanning, Dabo?) because Elko is not as big of a name as some of their “peers” have landed (LSU, USC)
Its not that surprising, IMO.

They know Elko. He was their DC during the good run from what, 19-21? After he left, the cracks really started to show.

So, you can get Elko, a man you know, someone who helped recruit many of the upper classmen currently on your roster, important when you factor in the portal, someone who already knows the landscape of A&M, who now has head coaching experience and has proven to be a defensive coach who is not afraid of having an aggressive offense, and at the same time, has shown he can develop and win at a hard place to win at it -

its a very good hire.

Yes, its not sexy or flashy. But he's a heckuva coach and IMO, without a horse in the race, the right hire. A good recruiter, defensive minded coach who is a program and development guy who now has the resources he never had at Duke. If I was ranking the current hires in College footall


Smith, Michigan State - A+, everything I said about Elko
Elko . Texas A&M- Solid A to A-, only reason not an A+ is his head coaching experience is less than Smith's
Lebby - D- to D at Miss State - no HC experience, the weird baggage with Briles, etc.
Northwestern - Braun, A+, okay, he was an interim but clearly the right guy for that job
Syracuse - the two rumored front runners would be really good hires IMO
 
Looking thru Toledo's head coaches - the point is kinda there. Its really amazing but only one coach since 1963 has had a losing record.


Pinkel - obviously successful outside of Toledo
Saban - Same
Campbell - Same

Beckman - not really, went 12-25 at Illinois
Stobart - Not really, 16-17 at Utah and 29-36 at Memphis State / Memphis
Simrell - Not really. Won at Toledo, had a big gap between coaching, then went 32-44 at Findlay


So, All 6 won at Toledo, 3 were and have been highly successful, 3 were not. So Maybe Candle would be, IDK. The weird one was Tom Amstutz, I guess I thought he had gone somewhere else after Toledo but it appears he just retired / resigned after the cracks started showing.
 
Stoops is 61 years old. I think A&M want someone younger (Elko is 46). FYI - Fisher is 58.
So I can see Stoops wasn't viewed favorably.

It will be interesting to see how Elko deals with a lot of more resources at College Station vs what he's been having at Durham. Definitely less stringent academic standards and more support.
 
Stoops is 61 years old. I think A&M want someone younger (Elko is 46). FYI - Fisher is 58.
So I can see Stoops wasn't viewed favorably.

It will be interesting to see how Elko deals with a lot of more resources at College Station vs what he's been having at Durham. Definitely less stringent academic standards and more support.
I highly doubt Age played a role, IMO. I think it came down to knowing Elko, him having ties and then some $ considerations when it came down to it, Elko, rightly or wrongly, is going to be a little cheaper
 
Would love to hear how a non-midwestern coach with a losing record wins out at Michigan state? He won’t have any relationships with the NIL money going to basketball. He might have one good year and then flame out. Good work Mich st.
Its a slam dunk hire. Have you been to Corvalis, Oregon? I like it but its not a football hot bed. Dwarfed in state by Oregon. And in the NW by Washington as well. Not evening mentioning the Cali schools or Utah.

3 straight winning Pac 12 seasons.
25-13 last three seasons.

Gary Anderson went 7-23 at Oregon State as the HC prior to Smith. After going 19-7 at Wisconsin.
 
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Houston will be interesting, they threw big money at Dana for an aac program. It wasn't a great hire but it was a g5 swing for the fences. They'll try to make a splash.

I expect quick triggers for all of the new programs, they just didn't match up against the big 12 schools. They won't be happy just being here for long.
Herman coming back?
 
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