CycloneErik
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Is there a way to bring this back towards the reasonable track the thread once had? Let's all simmer this thing down.
Arnaud vs. Stanzi
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LOL What will I do now? You've hurt my feelings. LOLOLOLOL
Go back to telling me how great Brad Banks is. Too funny.
If you're analyzing how each QB, it's pretty ridiculous to use wins as your final judgement. Why? The quarterback has NO control over the defense. Iowa had a great defense that kept them in games. ISU surrendered points every time. Arnaud was always in a hole, and played well. Stanzi didn't have to get points every drive, because the D was getting the job done. Stanzi did ok, but I know a lot of Hawk fans that would rather have Arnaud. It's not saying Stanzi is ineffective, but Arnaud is a playmaker. Hey, Hawk fans, wanna see a drive? Check out Arnaud on the last drive against UNLV. Even though it was against a poor team, it was 10x the drive Stanzi lead against PSU. It was longer, less time on the clock, no timeouts, and a last second TD. He also had a Wallace-esque scramble on 3rd and 9 to get a first AND got out of bounds.
RS had some very good games, and he had some terrible ones. The biggest thing that helped him was Shonn Green. Everyone played Iowa in single coverage and even then the DBs and safeties were cheating up. Ya, RS had some great stats, but he also had more time and more guys wide open. I know there were several times he under threw guys by yards and they where still able to come back and catch the ball. ISU never had guys that open.
Good point. I'd take Arnaud's play in crunch time against UNLV over Stanzi's against Penn State any day. Arnaud was spectacular on that last drive both throwing and running and he did it without the benefit of a home crowd and a bailout call by the refs. And despite the W/L argument, I don't hold AA responsible for the defense giving up about 100 yards in personal foul penalties in the first half and deciding not to cover UNLV's best receiver in overtime.
Exactly. Iowa fans give Stanzi too much credit, imo. He takes care of things, but it was their defense and Shonn Greene that really did it for them last year. AA can't be held responsible for the worst BCS defense. Trying to credit Stanzi/blame Arnaud for the play of their respective defenses is completely ridiculous...
just watched the end of the penn state
game and I believe Stanzi went 4 of 7 on the last drive. What I realized is it doesn't take much to impress Hawk fans.
Stanzi's first pass of the last series had interception written all over it. The announcers called it an uncatchable ball. Lucky for Iowa the dback made contact while jumping to intercept it. Official calls pass interference and Iowa gets a first down.
Stanzi then completed one five yard pass to get them to the fifty. Wow! His next pass was a drop/tough catch for 5 yards. And on 3rd and 10 he threw a pass one yard short of the first down, but his receiver turned and got the first down.
Stanzi threw two good passes to the sideline at the end of the drive. Hard to imagine why PSU let them run hook routes on the sideline and didn't get in front, but with the big ten nothing is surprising.
Wow, what a drive. LOL They did win the game and that is a big deal, but using that to show that Stanzi is a good quarterback simply makes me laugh.
The defense kept Iowa in the game with the huge turnover and solid play. That isn't even debateable.
The announcers even commented on Stanzi's bad play in the first half. They did say he was solid in the second.
game and I believe Stanzi went 4 of 7 on the last drive. What I realized is it doesn't take much to impress Hawk fans.
Stanzi's first pass of the last series had interception written all over it. The announcers called it an uncatchable ball. Lucky for Iowa the dback made contact while jumping to intercept it. Official calls pass interference and Iowa gets a first down.
Stanzi then completed one five yard pass to get them to the fifty. Wow! His next pass was a drop/tough catch for 5 yards. And on 3rd and 10 he threw a pass one yard short of the first down, but his receiver turned and got the first down.
Stanzi threw two good passes to the sideline at the end of the drive. Hard to imagine why PSU let them run hook routes on the sideline and didn't get in front, but with the big ten nothing is surprising.
Wow, what a drive. LOL They did win the game and that is a big deal, but using that to show that Stanzi is a good quarterback simply makes me laugh.
The defense kept Iowa in the game with the huge turnover and solid play. That isn't even debateable.
The announcers even commented on Stanzi's bad play in the first half. They did say he was solid in the second.
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I'd take Arnaud over Stanzi, but it's actually pretty close. I just like the decision making and accuracy from Arnaud. I know at times he didn't have the protection, but I'd like to see him go for the "big play" a little more. I know that seems to contradict my liking of his decision making, but sometimes playing too conservatively can be your downfall, you may be making all the right throws all the time, but sometimes you need to let it fly even if the odds may not be with it to go let your WR make a play for himself, and you never know how it can throw off a defender.
Are you kidding me? Iowa beat Penn State, we lost. You can all the spectacular losses you want. I'll take the W, thank you. Let's go lose one for the gipper!
Jay Cutler lost a lot of games at vandy and lo and behold went pretty dang high in the nfl draft. The same league where the amount of players bottle necks like crazy and the talent level shoots thru the roof.
Just goes to show that wins and losses are not the end all of a good college quarterback.
Just goes to show that wins and losses are not the end all of a good college quarterback.
No one is saying they want to lose, but you keep putting the wins and losses on the quarterback while ignoring the HUGE role the defense, which the quarterback has no control over, plays in the outcome. ISU's defense flat out lost games for us this year. Iowa's defense flat out won them games this year. Neither of these should really reflect on Arnaud or Stanzi when we're arguing about who the better quarterback is....
And Cutler still doesn't know how to win. There is a reason his teams don't get it done, and the problem is his crappy attitude.
By the way, AA has a superior attitude..gotta love the kid!
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Here's a question for you that might just solve this argument. If you put Stanzi in place of AA last season, with a bad defense, a so-so OL, and not much running game, does RS win more games? My answer is NO. If you put AA in place of RS, with a good defense, a good OL, and a stellar RB, does he win as many or more games than RS? I would say YES!
I think also answers the question of who is the better QB.
AA can make all of the plays RS made last year, and I think he has as good, if not better, leadership and decision making skills.
Assuming everything plays out the same way - Arnaud starts as backup for Jake, O'Keefe is still there - which games would Iowa have won with Arnaud as opposed to Stanzi?
Arnaud can hand it off to Green just as well as Stanzi!
Seriously though, I think Arnaud could have won any of the games Stanzi started in, and I think AA would have made it an easier decision to bench Jake sooner.
Do you disagree?
Arnaud can hand it off to Green just as well as Stanzi!
Seriously though, I think Arnaud could have won any of the games Stanzi started in, and I think AA would have made it an easier decision to bench Jake sooner.
Do you disagree?
Considering how Kirk usually decides to go with experience over youth, I would think that everything would have played out the same. You have to remember that despite Stanzi playing well in the first half at Pitt, Jake still played the entire second half.