*** Official #14 IOWA STATE vs Texas (SAMSUBA) Game(Day) Thread ***

He's terrible. We had a 17 point lead at the half and almost blew it, partly because of him and partly because of our bigs not dunking the ball.

I'm not ripping the player. The kid plays gard and does what he can. If anything I'm ripping Otz for willingly choosing to play someone who's already proven he's physically overmatched in league play.
"In my ripping the player... I'm just continually singling him out in the game threads."

It's really sad. Have some positivity and enjoy the game. You consistently show a lack of basic bball understanding. Texas got unbelievable hot in the second half.
 
"In my ripping the player... I'm just continually singling him out in the game threads."

It's really sad. Have some positivity and enjoy the game. You consistently show a lack of basic bball understanding. Texas got unbelievable hot in the second half.

'He's terrible....I'm not ripping on the player'.

It's a fascinating thing to observe.

'This rainy/windy weather is ****** and awful but I'm not complaining about it'.
 
Seeing Jeremiah Williams in there. Want to give him a shout out as he scored 14 with the game winner for Rutgers yesterday. Really wish we could have had him last year. Good to see he's back in good health
It was just his second game of the year, seems to have breathed some life into their offense - his first two games were road wins.
 
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Some thoughts on the game, having only watched the play-by-play and highlights

- @ZRF nailed one thing ahead of the game - we needed "bad Abmas" to show up and got it
- The 4-game tech foul streak is bananas, I've never seen anything like that
- Disu is really really good. We had him in foul trouble with the big lead, but never got the 4th on him
- Offensive rebounding won us the game - they did a great job on the boards.
- Milan's continual improvement is amazing to watch, outside of his spectacular offensive skillset. His defense has improved so much over the course of the season, and now he suddenly has 4 HUGE offensive rebounds in the last 2 games. He had 8 total offensive rebounds on the SEASON before that
- Right now Keshon is our leading scorer with 309 pts, and Tamin and Milan have 284 (Tamin on 1 fewer game). I still think Milan ends the season as the high scorer. My prediction is that at a key point in the season TJ is going to tweak the offense to run through Milan more and he'll have multiple 20-pt games
- I'm changing my tune a bit - number of made 3s has been absolutely determinative in conf outcomes:
- In our 3 conf losses, opponents are averaging 12 made 3s per game and shooting 43%.
- In our 6 conf wins opponents are averaging 6 made 3s per game and shooting 30%.
 
A play where nothing really happened, but Lipsey went full on Superman dive for a loose ball and just missed it, and was instantly up on his feet to check Hunter and make him pass it. That kind of effort from your point guard and leader is invaluable.

Even his stellar box score doesn't do justice to how amazing Lipsey was in this game.
He usually puts up good numbers anyway, but Tamin is one of the best Cyclones I've ever seen at affecting the game positively in ways that don't show up in a box score. If there were stats for:
  • First-touches off a miss that lead to a teammate getting a rebound
  • Tough passes that lead to someone else getting an easy assist
  • Disrupting passes or dribbles that lead to someone else getting a steal
...he would probably be among the best in the conference. We've had other guys like that e.g. Dustin Hogue and Stevie Johnson come to mind, but they weren't also statistically our best player and team leader.
 
Some thoughts on the game, having only watched the play-by-play and highlights

- @ZRF nailed one thing ahead of the game - we needed "bad Abmas" to show up and got it
My thought heading into the game is that he's obviously a great shooter/scorer, but he's little and isn't a physical player, our bigger/stronger guards should be able to muscle him around on both sides of the ball, and they did that for sure. Gilbert and Lipsey both separately put him on his ass with hard bumps the first couple possessions. I don't think he was ready for that physical play. On defense, those two and Curtis were all three mostly getting into the lane whenever they wanted when Abmas was on them. He looked like a pretty weak defender.
 
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He was the only player in the negative foe the game and was -5. Not sure what the breakdown was between halves but I'm pretty sure he was close to a minus 8 to 10 without digging. In 5 to 6 minutes of basketball that's pitiful.

He's simply not good enough to ever warrant playing time unless we have 3 guards fouling out. Even if it means less than optimal rotations I'd play Watson, even Omaha over Pavs. He's beyond physically outmatched and is probably the worst player in the league that sees the floor and by a wide margin.

Makes less than zero sense.
Pavs and Watson's advanced stats per EvanMiya suggest they are guys that should be bordering between DNPs and spot minutes in certain situations. That's what they're getting. If you drop the min. possessions, Watson is similar overall to Pavs, slightly better. Not surprisingly the offense is better with Pavs and defense better with Watson.

On the flipside of your typical arguments, Rob Jones is significantly better than Ward in BPR overall, and even both offense and defense, Adjusted Team Efficiency overall, offensive adjusted Team Efficiency, Adjusted Team Defensive Efficiency by a large margin. I love Ward, and I do think we keep seeing his minutes creep up, particularly against the longer teams that are more inside-out focused. But Rob has outplayed him per advanced stats overall. Ward deserves some leeway returning from an injury.

TJ has nailed the personnel and playing time. When things weren't going well for Curtis Jones, he stuck with him over Pavs and Watson, and that was clearly the right move. He's stuck with this roughly 50-50 minute breakdown between Rob and Ward, and that looks to be the right thing to do. He's playing King as much as he can and getting spot mins from Watson or going small w/ Milan at the 4, and that's working.

TJ's rotation and minutes are working. The only one of your arguments that you have made that hold any water is you play Watson over Pavs when needed. And that's a marginal difference over few possessions, so I'm not sure that would work out. So I still say these guys get spot minutes because they help King and the guards, particularly Gilbert and Milan maximize efficiency by having gas in the tank and not worrying about foul trouble so much.

And maybe in past years TJ was just saying, if a program like ISU is going to make final fours, we need complete commitment at practice, in workouts, whatever it is, and Rob exemplifies that. Rob's playing time in past years (not this year) was greater than production suggested. But we've got a monster culture at ISU, and Rob's a big part of that. As much as coaches want to think patronizing players for it, or chewing them out if they don't, you get the actions that get playing time. Period. That's the language players speak.
 
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He usually puts up good numbers anyway, but Tamin is one of the best Cyclones I've ever seen at affecting the game positively in ways that don't show up in a box score. If there were stats for:
  • First-touches off a miss that lead to a teammate getting a rebound
  • Tough passes that lead to someone else getting an easy assist
  • Disrupting passes or dribbles that lead to someone else getting a steal
...he would probably be among the best in the conference. We've had other guys like that e.g. Dustin Hogue and Stevie Johnson come to mind, but they weren't also statistically our best player and team leader.
Agree completely and the other thing I would add to that list is forcing turnovers that aren't counted as steals - taking charges, forcing travels, knocking the ball out of bounds off the opposing player, etc. I wish there was a tracked stat for "forced turnovers" in addition to steals.
 
Somewhat related, I've always liked the "Fouls Suffered" (i.e. how many times you got fouled) stat in the European leagues, not sure why we don't track that here. It's a good stat!

Pav and Watson both gave us nice boosts in limited minutes last night, not sure what all the fuss is over here.
 

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