When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[GBlade]

I'll probably get an EV when the Rivian delivery vans trickle down to the used market. (Or some one else makes an EV van) EVs are a dream for the disabled. Less maintenance, no gas station, and no transmission/axel running through the middle of the cabin. A few other features are on the horizon too. Stear by wire (as seen in the cybertruck) and wireless charging.

A self-driving, accessable EV van is my dream vehicle.

 

[herbicide]

I was just reading how Stellantis (Dodge, chrysler, Jeep,etc) is having a lot of trouble selling cars lately. They've improved a lot over the years on their vehicles but they just wait so long for the updates.

It's not a surprise that so many people are fighting for EV's to fail when you see how many people are employed at dealerships. Once these dealerships move to EV's, they'll be able to get rid of 1/2 their staff. Then how many of the 150k convenience stores will be able to survive, when they no longer sell fuel?

Curious on this “half-staff” reduction claim. The cars still have every mechanical component besides a gasoline engine and required ancillary items. Sure, they are simpler in mechanical terms but there is still maintenance required and all the other components that need repair services. It’s not like the oil change and engine rebuilding crew is 1/2 a dealer staff.

 

[HFCS]

I will have to buy a totaled EV at some point, and turn the batteries into additional storage for the home solar! Neat!

I get a kick out of people worried about how they could charge when the power is out...in the near future your car will be a battery backup for your house in that outage unless you happen to have it sitting there not charged at all. It's a dual purpose strength parading as a weakness.

I know some people already have a backup for their home, especially those with their own solar, but nothing like how many will have one in the future simply by enabling their car batteries to do this.

 

[Clonehomer]

I get a kick out of people worried about how they could charge when the power is out...in the near future your car will be a battery backup for your house in that outage unless you happen to have it sitting there not charged at all. It's a dual purpose strength parading as a weakness.

I know some people already have a backup for their home, especially those with their own solar, but nothing like how many will have one in the future simply by enabling their car batteries to do this.

Have you priced that option out? It’s not cheap to get that setup to have your car power your house.

 

[HFCS]

I was just reading how Stellantis (Dodge, chrysler, Jeep,etc) is having a lot of trouble selling cars lately. They've improved a lot over the years on their vehicles but they just wait so long for the updates.

It's not a surprise that so many people are fighting for EV's to fail when you see how many people are employed at dealerships. Once these dealerships move to EV's, they'll be able to get rid of 1/2 their staff. Then how many of the 150k convenience stores will be able to survive, when they no longer sell fuel?

The rural and suburban convenience stores may take a hit. In big cities there are so many of them that have never had gas at all, I think a good % of them would still exist whether they have charging/gas or not. They are really about liquor, cigarettes, lottery tickets and snacks (my in laws ran several in STL and never cared to get into gas stations). Young people moving away from smoking/drinking might be a bigger threat to c-stores than EVs.

 

[HFCS]

Have you priced that option out? It’s not cheap to get that setup to have your car power your house.

I was figuring down the road. In a future world where every garage is a charging station, nearly every car is an EV and many homes have some sort of solar/battery it couldn't be a big deal. What part of it would be very expensive in a world where all of that other stuff is standard? Am I wrongly assuming those other things are the expensive part? Genuinely asking, I'm not an electrical expert.

 

[3TrueFans]

I was figuring down the road. In a future world where every garage is a charging station, nearly every car is an EV and many homes have some sort of solar/battery it couldn't be a big deal. What part of it would be very expensive in a world where all of that other stuff is standard? Am I wrongly assuming those other things are the expensive part? Genuinely asking, I'm not an electrical expert.

That doesn't sound like the near future so much.

 

[dmclone]

Pay attention to the news over the next few days. Pay Attention to which groups oppose expanding the EV charging network.

 

[dmclone]

Curious on this “half-staff” reduction claim. The cars still have every mechanical component besides a gasoline engine and required ancillary items. Sure, they are simpler in mechanical terms but there is still maintenance required and all the other components that need repair services. It’s not like the oil change and engine rebuilding crew is 1/2 a dealer staff.

Iowa has two Tesla service centers, one in council bluffs and one in Iowa. Go check out how many people are working in these service centers. Now look at the Tesla maintenence schedule, which is basically rotating your tires and nothing else for 4 years. I may be in the minority, but I probably visit the dealerships service center at least 10 times for scheduled maintenance to one time to actually fix anything. Another big item are recalls, which are mostly handled by OTA updates.

At these service centers, you can also test drive cars. You schedule the test drive online, there are usually two people working to answer any questions, and that's it. No finance guys, no "let me talk to my sales manager", no HR, no administrative assistants, etc.

 

[BCClone]

I get a kick out of people worried about how they could charge when the power is out...in the near future your car will be a battery backup for your house in that outage unless you happen to have it sitting there not charged at all. It's a dual purpose strength parading as a weakness.

I know some people already have a backup for their home, especially those with their own solar, but nothing like how many will have one in the future simply by enabling their car batteries to do this.

For those that consider doing this, make sure you have an electrician set it up for you. Just don't back feed as inevitably one time you will forget to flip the main breaker or it will fail and you will put power workers lives at risk.

 

[BCClone]

I was figuring down the road. In a future world where every garage is a charging station, nearly every car is an EV and many homes have some sort of solar/battery it couldn't be a big deal. What part of it would be very expensive in a world where all of that other stuff is standard? Am I wrongly assuming those other things are the expensive part? Genuinely asking, I'm not an electrical expert.

I have a 28.6kW system at a business. The batteries to hold a couple days charge were more expensive than the whole set up from start to finish, so the batteries got shelved.

 

[BCClone]

Iowa has two Tesla service centers, one in council bluffs and one in Iowa. Go check out how many people are working in these service centers. Now look at the Tesla maintenence schedule, which is basically rotating your tires and nothing else for 4 years. I may be in the minority, but I probably visit the dealerships service center at least 10 times for scheduled maintenance to one time to actually fix anything. Another big item are recalls, which are mostly handled by OTA updates.

At these service centers, you can also test drive cars. You schedule the test drive online, there are usually two people working to answer any questions, and that's it. No finance guys, no "let me talk to my sales manager", no HR, no administrative assistants, etc.

10 times for scheduled maintenance??? Do you drive around 50-75k miles a year per vehicle?

 

[herbicide]

Iowa has two Tesla service centers, one in council bluffs and one in Iowa. Go check out how many people are working in these service centers. Now look at the Tesla maintenence schedule, which is basically rotating your tires and nothing else for 4 years. I may be in the minority, but I probably visit the dealerships service center at least 10 times for scheduled maintenance to one time to actually fix anything. Another big item are recalls, which are mostly handled by OTA updates.

At these service centers, you can also test drive cars. You schedule the test drive online, there are usually two people working to answer any questions, and that's it. No finance guys, no "let me talk to my sales manager", no HR, no administrative assistants, etc.

Tesla is one manufacturer, and are they actually repairing/servicing vehicles onsite? Or are they just a showcase center? Are you aware Tesla isn’t alone on OTA software updates? My old 2019 mid trim Chevy Colorado did the same thing.

How many of those 10:1 service trips are related solely to the combustion engine or related items not present on an electric vehicle?

If memory serves at the Council Bluff center they can’t even “sell” vehicles from the location.

Long story short EV’s still require almost all the roles and services an ICE vehicle requires. To use your analogy, modern ICE in 4 years “basically just requires tire rotations and oil changes in 4 years.”

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Tesla is one manufacturer, and are they actually repairing/servicing vehicles onsite? Or are they just a showcase center? Are you aware Tesla isn’t alone on OTA software updates? My old 2019 mid trim Chevy Colorado did the same thing.

How many of those 10:1 service trips are related solely to the combustion engine or related items not present on an electric vehicle?

If memory serves at the Council Bluff center they can’t even “sell” vehicles from the location.

Long story short EV’s still require almost all the roles and services an ICE vehicle requires. To use your analogy, modern ICE in 4 years “basically just requires tire rotations and oil changes in 4 years.”

Yes, the Tesla service centers are repairing vehicles on site.

You can now take delivery of vehicles at these locations here in Iowa. You just have to pay for them in advance. "Selling" them at the actual Tesla locations isn't necessary, the purchases are all done online and then you finish out all of the "paperwork" through their app.

EV's definitely don't require almost all the roles and services an ICE vehicle requires, at least the way Tesla has their model set up. Dealerships for the traditional ICE manufacturers will fight to keep all of those roles alive at their locations, you can bet on that.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yes, the Tesla service centers are repairing vehicles on site.

You can now take delivery of vehicles at these locations here in Iowa. You just have to pay for them in advance. "Selling" them at the actual Tesla locations isn't necessary, the purchases are all done online and then you finish out all of the "paperwork" through their app.

EV's definitely don't require almost all the roles and services an ICE vehicle requires, at least the way Tesla has their model set up. Dealerships for the traditional ICE manufacturers will fight to keep all of those roles alive at their locations, you can bet on that.

So what’s the service schedule on things like suspensions and parts that still do move?

Assuming you’re using a good mechanic, there’s more to a service appointment than just an oil change. Sure, you can lube the door hinges and grease the ball joints at home. But if you’re buying an EV with the idea of lower maintenance, will you?

 

[dmclone]

10 times for scheduled maintenance??? Do you drive around 50-75k miles a year per vehicle?

Sorry if I made it sound like I did this per year. What I was trying to say was that 90%+ of the time I visit the dealership service center with gas powered vehicles, it's for scheduled maintenance. This has been my experience with 20+ cars, I guess I'm lucky to have never bought a clunker that constantly had trouble.

 

[BCClone]

Sorry if I made it sound like I did this per year. What I was trying to say was that 90%+ of the time I visit the dealership service center with gas powered vehicles, it's for scheduled maintenance. This has been my experience with 20+ cars, I guess I'm lucky to have never bought a clunker that constantly had trouble.

If you rotate tires every 10k miles (usually every other oil change for ICE) you will visit the dealership only half as much unless you do it yourself. You will still have to grab wiper blades roughly every year or so (you can get them from parts stores but it is the same for ICE). Things like that will put you at the dealership/parts store/repair shop probably at least 2/3rds as often as an ICE. I'm not seeing how all the trips there get cut. That is if you drive the same mileage, if you drive much less with an EV than an ICE then it's not apples to apples.

 

[dmclone]

Tesla is one manufacturer, and are they actually repairing/servicing vehicles onsite? Or are they just a showcase center? Are you aware Tesla isn’t alone on OTA software updates? My old 2019 mid trim Chevy Colorado did the same thing.

How many of those 10:1 service trips are related solely to the combustion engine or related items not present on an electric vehicle?

If memory serves at the Council Bluff center they can’t even “sell” vehicles from the location.

Long story short EV’s still require almost all the roles and services an ICE vehicle requires. To use your analogy, modern ICE in 4 years “basically just requires tire rotations and oil changes in 4 years.”

Air Filter-No
Engine Oil-No
Transmission-No
Coolant-No
Spark Plugs-No
Timing Belt-No
Tire Rotation-Yes
Brake Pad Replacement-Usually after 100k miles
In Cabin Air Filter-Yes
Brake Fluid-Yes
Alignment-I've only gotten alignments when replacing tires. I assume it's the same for an EV
Suspension?-I don't remember ever getting my suspension serviced on any vehicle.
Wiper Fluid-Yes

 

[nrg4isu]

So what’s the service schedule on things like suspensions and parts that still do move?

Assuming you’re using a good mechanic, there’s more to a service appointment than just an oil change. Sure, you can lube the door hinges and grease the ball joints at home. But if you’re buying an EV with the idea of lower maintenance, will you?

How many people actually follow service schedules anyway? I'm in my 40s and have had enough vehicles that I feel like I know what I'm doing. All I've ever done is regular oil changes, tire rotations, tires, brakes and batteries. Outside of that the only time I'm going to the dealership is if there's problems and generally there haven't been problems. My wife and I had been on a schedule of buying a new car ever 5 years and running it for 10 before trading it in. This way we have 1 car that is 5 years old or less and another that is 5-10 years old. All Ford, except the most recent is a Chrysler Pacifica.

With a tesla or really any BEV, my assumption would be that my regular maintenance would be down to tires and brakes.

 

[mramseyISU]

Air Filter-No
Engine Oil-No
Transmission-No
Coolant-No
Spark Plugs-No
Timing Belt-No
Tire Rotation-Yes
Brake Pad Replacement-Usually after 100k miles
In Cabin Air Filter-Yes
Brake Fluid-Yes
Alignment-I've only gotten alignments when replacing tires. I assume it's the same for an EV
Suspension?-I don't remember ever getting my suspension serviced on any vehicle.
Wiper Fluid-Yes

How often do you need to change that fluid filter for your drive motors?