I'm not going to. But some people might want to sell their 15 year old EV. Who's going to buy it, and how much value will it have if the battery is old? I'm not trying to argue against EV's. I just have a lot of questions.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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I'm not going to. But some people might want to sell their 15 year old EV. Who's going to buy it, and how much value will it have if the battery is old? I'm not trying to argue against EV's. I just have a lot of questions.
A lot of people in this thread, but I'm not one of them
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I'm also someone who holds vehicles from when we buy for 15-20 years. I get rid of them when, for the wife reliability becomes a problem, for me its when I get tired of the small repairs or enough things have stopped working or rusted out. This means that our vehicles range for 1997 to 2015 with most in that 2011 and have a lot of life left for us. The last 3 vehicles I have gotten rid of have been driven to the salvage yard and just sold there. So for me, cost of ownership over 5 years means nothing.
In 15 years that $20k might not be the case either, that's just so far out there as far as battery technology is concerned I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that in 2040 (that's 16 years from now) that the replacement costs will be a lot lower. Battery storage costs have dropped almost in half over the last 3 years with no signs of slowing down. Right now the average cost per kWh of battery is about $200. Tesla has done somethings where they've figured out how to make a battery for a little over $100/kWh so it won't be long before the legacy automakers have caught up with that. So to me your hypothetical 15y/o EV needing a new battery pack probably isn't a $20k bill in all reality.
Early adaptors are taking a big risk but that's the case for early adopters for any technology.
It's a bravado thing, gas vehicles make your **** and balls bigger and all EVs are just a reskinned 2002 Prius. Doesn't matter if they actually make complete sense for a normal person's use cases, if new tech doesn't fit 100% of all uses perfectly, it's thrown away immediately.
We're just going back over the anti-car movement in favor of horses. Same ****, different century.
But the premise of this thread is:
"When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?"
A key word in the thread premise is YOU. So there will be many different use cases for people's preference of EV's vs. Hybrid vs. ICE vehicles.Sure there might be some animosity, but in most cases I feel the correct term is skepticism by those that don't and won't own an EV in the next few years.
And for those of us in that boat, I feel there is a lot of defensiveness by EV early adopters. I agree 100% with what you wrote: "If an EV isn't for you, that's fine. It'll be there when you're ready for it. In the meanwhile, nothing much will change with how you currently get around."
As a 60 year old you drives a Subaru Impreza- I'd love to buy a similarly priced EV and dream of the day when it can be a self-driving car (I'm told I'm a terrible driver, easily distracted). Or better yet, the day when self-driving ride-share vehicles are commonplace and not having to buy a costly depreciating asset which I use less than 30 minutes a day.
No everyday vehicle, regardless of engine type, is going to be worth much of anything after 15 years.
I would expect what you say to be true, just based on economies of scale and technology research in EV battery composition.
But there is also the potential in 10-15 years current battery technology could be obsolete. DeLorean Motor Co. may come out with the flux capacitor.
Is a jitterbug the best phone on the market, no. Is the jitterbug the best phone for my 90 year old mother, yes.
Now I'm just sad because I don't have a DeLorean in my garage.I would expect what you say to be true, just based on economies of scale and technology research in EV battery composition.
But there is also the potential in 10-15 years current battery technology could be obsolete. DeLorean Motor Co. may come out with the flux capacitor.
That all makes sense...but ask where the majority of uninformed opinion and sometimes even false information on this topic comes from. Are EV owners lying or distorting any truths about their experience?
The people who have a PHEV or EV have likely experienced it all, especially now that it's not uncommon to talk to someone who has driven and EV for 5-10 years, because almost all of them have had an ICE too.
There are a LOT of people who have never owned an EV or even really read truthful information about EVs posting a lot of nonsense in this thread about what it's like to own and drive one. They don't actually know, they're talking out of their rear. There's also a lot of illogical expectations that an EV should have zero problems when ICE cars have plenty of problems and unique expenses of their own.
Frankly a lot of effort and money has been spent to make a lot of people scared and angry. For what good reason? Not really any productive helpful reason.
I can't say for Teslas since so much of their stuff is developed internally, but most EVs have a high voltage system for driving and an old school 12V lead acid battery for the accessories. The 12V battery runs the pumps, heaters, fans, radio etc while the HVB is "off." The HVB can charge the 12V battery just like an alternator as necessary.
True. But, I can buy a cheap 10-15 year old gas car, drive it for 5 years and not have to worry about putting a $20,000 battery in it. I could probably sell it easily when I'm done with it too.
Just filled Das Audi and was a little surprised to see the miles at the normal 340. Was thinking with the cold it would have lowered that like it usually does but it's not been cold that long and I haven't filled up since Dec. 22 (had to look it up). Yeah, I haven't driven anywhere this last month.
I would expect what you say to be true, just based on economies of scale and technology research in EV battery composition.
But there is also the potential in 10-15 years current battery technology could be obsolete. DeLorean Motor Co. may come out with the flux capacitor.
Seems dilithium crystals for a small power converter will be more practical. Too much risk of time travel with the flux converter.
