When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[CyCoug]

So, why would anyone buy a used EV if they are more than likely going to have to fork over another 15-25 grand for a new battery after a few years? If they try to sell the used EV after 3 or 4 years, why would anybody buy it when it's even closer to needing a new battery?

TL/DR: I don't need to drive nearly as much as I did 5 years ago.

Since I started working from home, I've gone from putting 12-15000 miles a year on my car to maybe 5,000.

If I want a car to take me to the stores a mile from my house and back, why not buy a used EV?

Actually, I'm also getting into ebikes. Again, why not (in good weather), just zip down the road on an ebike from time to time? I used a Christmas gift card from work to order one that should get to me next week.

 

[83cy]

And this is one more reason why I will wait to buy electric:

"Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure," it reads. "Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature."

"Tesla recommends using Trip Planner to navigate to a charging location for at least 30-45 minutes before arrival to ensure optimal Battery temperature and charging conditions," the document continues. "If the drive to the charging location is less than 30-45 minutes, consider preconditioning the Battery before driving.

 

[BCClone]

TL/DR: I don't need to drive nearly as much as I did 5 years ago.

Since I started working from home, I've gone from putting 12-15000 miles a year on my car to maybe 5,000.

If I want a car to take me to the stores a mile from my house and back, why not buy a used EV?

Actually, I'm also getting into ebikes. Again, why not (in good weather), just zip down the road on an ebike from time to time? I used a Christmas gift card from work to order one that should get to me next week.

From about march to novemberish, most small errands around here are ran with golf carts or gators if they are motorized, and this is not a retirement community.

 

[WhoISthis]

Well, the typical Porsche owner is not the typical BMW person either. Are you saying if a EV owner decided to buy an ICE that they would routinely be in the BMW or Porsche market? I think you are not comparing typical markets in your comparison.

There is a large overlap between those that buy EVs and that otherwise buy premium cars. A segment of buyers in which annual cost of ownership savings isn’t a big priority

In buying a $50k to $100k depreciating asset, a $100/month delta in cost of ownership is tertiary consideration

 

[KnappShack]

TL/DR: I don't need to drive nearly as much as I did 5 years ago.

Since I started working from home, I've gone from putting 12-15000 miles a year on my car to maybe 5,000.

If I want a car to take me to the stores a mile from my house and back, why not buy a used EV?

Actually, I'm also getting into ebikes. Again, why not (in good weather), just zip down the road on an ebike from time to time? I used a Christmas gift card from work to order one that should get to me next week.

Our second car is down to maybe 2000 a year. It's amazing how different it is. In California my wife was putting on at least 16,000 a year on just her car.

That's why a plug in with a small battery only range would be about perfect.

 

[dmclone]

And this is one more reason why I will wait to buy electric:

"Tesla recommends activating climate settings at least 30-45 minutes before departure," it reads. "Preconditioning times depend on outside temperature and other factors. The mobile app will notify you once your vehicle has reached the desired preconditioning temperature."

"Tesla recommends using Trip Planner to navigate to a charging location for at least 30-45 minutes before arrival to ensure optimal Battery temperature and charging conditions," the document continues. "If the drive to the charging location is less than 30-45 minutes, consider preconditioning the Battery before driving.

2 different things here:

If you look a couple of pages back, I provided screen shots of my wifes car going from 21 degrees to 68 in 4 minutes. The other option is to get in an drive, just like you would with any other car. This is a comfort thing. Think remote start.

Pre Conditioning-95% of the time you drive, you will be charging at home and this won't have any impact. If you're going on a long drive to lets say KC, you plug in where you're going and it will figure out where to charge, how long to charge, and handle the pre conditioning while you drive. This will have zero impact on your driving experience except a little note will pop up saying "I'm preconditioning". This will just make it so your charging will go faster. If you don't want to do this, don't. This is how Tesla handles pre-conditioning, not sure how other EV's handle it.

I agree though, if you're not comfortable using GPS, you probably want to stay away from EV's.

 

[RedlineSi]

So many insane use cases for EVs that ICE people put in place.

The best is this guy on a car forum I'm on. He says he needs 1000 mile range at 90mph, while towing 5000lbs or he'll never go EV.

******* mind bending.

 

[nrg4isu]

It was probably this thread, but somewhere I read that there's 3 emotional stages to a new technology. Apprehension, Animosity, Acceptance. We're solidly in the animosity stage with a lot of people. And honestly it's sad.

If an EV isn't for you, that's fine. It'll be there when you're ready for it. In the meanwhile, nothing much will change with how you currently get around.

I think it's similar to the news cycle. I used to be PLUGGED into it. Listening to local/national/podcasts/etc. So much anxiety and for what? Since summer of 2020, I unplugged and I can't say I'm worse off for it.

If you feel strongly about BEVs one way or the other, you're probably putting more focus on it than it deserves.

 

[trmaier]

2 different things here:

If you look a couple of pages back, I provided screen shots of my wifes car going from 21 degrees to 68 in 4 minutes. The other option is to get in an drive, just like you would with any other car. This is a comfort thing. Think remote start.

Pre Conditioning-95% of the time you drive, you will be charging at home and this won't have any impact. If you're going on a long drive to lets say KC, you plug in where you're going and it will figure out where to charge, how long to charge, and handle the pre conditioning while you drive. This will have zero impact on your driving experience except a little note will pop up saying "I'm preconditioning". This will just make it so your charging will go faster. If you don't want to do this, don't. This is how Tesla handles pre-conditioning, not sure how other EV's handle it.

I agree though, if you're not comfortable using GPS, you probably want to stay away from EV's.

I agree, those aren't real concerns.

Most EVs now offer scheduled pre-conditioning, so that your EV is ready, pre-warmed and batteries preconditioned at whatever time you set it to be ready. Tesla and Ford offer this. Rivian just got this update and it's a game changer!

The Trip Planner should be something built in to the EVs navigation system and not something to really worry about or have to think about. When your EV plans a route, it recommends which fast chargers to stop at and for how long and will pre-condition your battery so that it is ready to charge at the optimal rate. Tesla does this and so does Rivian.

 

[BigBake]

Here is something that will blow your mind. Most on here would consider me a right wing nut Being right wing doesn't make me not love fast cars and technology.

Lol. And I'm sure I'll get shouted down but hey, that's where I am at with EVs.

That said, yeah it's a cool ass technology. I do want to keep finding ways to reduce dependence on oil. Being a technology nut I'd love to drive one and check it out. The acceleration aspect is mind blowingly cool.

 

[RedlineSi]

Lol. And I'm sure I'll get shouted down but hey, that's where I am at with EVs.

That said, yeah it's a cool ass technology. I do want to keep finding ways to reduce dependence on oil. Being a technology nut I'd love to drive one and check it out. The acceleration aspect is mind blowingly cool.

And this is a good post. If you're in the Twin Cities, you can drive my Rivian any time. You really need to experience an EV to understand.

 

[dmclone]

Lol. And I'm sure I'll get shouted down but hey, that's where I am at with EVs.

That said, yeah it's a cool ass technology. I do want to keep finding ways to reduce dependence on oil. Being a technology nut I'd love to drive one and check it out. The acceleration aspect is mind blowingly cool.

I've owned a lot of vehicles in my lifetime and only a handful made me giggle the first time I punched it. Camaro w/500hp 427 big block, CBR900, Honda Civic Si (Sound/no power), Tesla Model S. The Tesla pulls like a crotch rocket. You need to drive one.

 

[HFCS]

There is a large overlap between those that buy EVs and that otherwise buy premium cars. A segment of buyers in which annual cost of ownership savings isn’t a big priority

In buying a $50k to $100k depreciating asset, a $100/month delta in cost of ownership is tertiary consideration

I think full size SUV owners (regardless of the brand) have always lied to themselves that they aren't in this category.

The cost of owning a full size ICE SUV with my local gas prices makes my jaw drop. I mean it would get me a long ways toward buying a second home.

At least full size trucks potentially have unique recreation and work uses. These full size SUVs are just gas hogs people think look cool and feel comfortable. The utility sucks for the cost and particularly fuel cost.

 

[ricochet]

I wish full EV would have been around when we bought our Prius in 2004. In the 20 years we have had it we would never once have needed to charge it anyplace other than our garage. We only use it for commuting or running errands and I'm pretty sure Adel is the farthest it has ever been from our house in Urbandale.

 

[CascadeClone]

Lol. And I'm sure I'll get shouted down but hey, that's where I am at with EVs.

That said, yeah it's a cool ass technology. I do want to keep finding ways to reduce dependence on oil. Being a technology nut I'd love to drive one and check it out. The acceleration aspect is mind blowingly cool.

That's where I am at. It's a really neat tech, and I have had problems with transmissions and would like to be shed of them. Put solar on the house in part because I expect to have an EV someday. I still have some hesitation about some of the tech yet though; I am NOT a early-adopter and happy to let others work out the bugs for a few more years first. Getting close though.

Also, I have a old Jag V8 convertible, and it is still relatively quick. But I would really like to tromp down on an electric where the only thing holding you back is the friction limits on the tires!

 

[isucy86]

I don’t believe you.

Also as said above, source please.

Oil and gas has complete destroyed the public with misinformation right now.

Someone earlier tried to post an anti-EV study as if it was legit but it was funded by the Texas Oil industry lol.

The report I saw was in a newspaper and it cited a Consumer Report study. I found a Consumer Report study online but couldn't find the AP or BBC article that I would have read. I also list a few others that question EV's cost-of-ownership being cheaper.

Consumer Reports

Yahoo

NADA

I have no idea if the above articles have bias, but the outlets are pretty mainstream.

But I have read articles that claim EV's are cheaper and I would question their cost of ownership #'s. One article used depreciation % comparison of EV's and ICE's to say they were comparable. But that's like saying a half-gallon of HyVee milk and Fairlife milk have the same cost of ownership if both have the same # of servings.

I also question the commonly used time frame of 5 years in many cost of ownership analysis. That might be great for people who buy a new car and sell within 3-7 years. But what about people who buy and hold? I like to own a car 10-15 years. In my case how will resale of an EV hold up if batteries have a life cycle between 12-18 years? My guess is the person or dealership that I sell my EV will demand a pretty significant discount if they anticipate the batteries will need to be replaced. No different than when I bought a house and the HVAC system was 15 years old- I reduced the purchase price by $12k anticipating buying a new system during my first few years of home ownership. As a side, the HVAC system died 2 years in.

I have nothing against EV's. I would love if they were the one size fits all solution. But at this point, I am not convinced that's true. And I also feel that too much attention is put on "green" auto's vs. "green" homes and other pollutants.

 

[wxman1]

And this is a good post. If you're in the Twin Cities, you can drive my Rivian any time. You really need to experience an EV to understand.

Is this invite open to all of us Do you charge extra for drool cleanup?

 

[ISUTex]

Like a car with a motor, the majority run fine after 3-4 years. Where are you getting "When it's even closer to needing a new battery"? Do you say this when you buy a used car with a gasoline motor?

Gasoline car batteries don't cost 20 grand, so no I wouldn't say that about a gas car. My question is how much is a 15 year old EV worth that has the original battery? I have no problem buying a 15 year old used gas Honda. My concern is buying a 15 year old EV that has the original battery. If I buy a 15 year old used EV, how long until I have to fork over another 20 grand for a new battery? That's what my concern is. And many on here seem to be 65 or older and living in retirement communities and barely drive. I'm in my 40's and live in rural Iowa. I drive a lot, and try to keep my vehicles to about 250-300,000 miles before I trade in for a new used.

 

[cycloneG]

Gasoline car batteries don't cost 20 grand, so no I wouldn't say that about a gas car. My question is how much is a 15 year old EV worth that has the original battery? I have no problem buying a 15 year old used gas Honda. My concern is buying a 15 year old EV that has the original battery. If I buy a 15 year old used EV, how long until I have to fork over another 20 grand for a new battery? That's what my concern is.

Maybe don't buy a 15 year old EV if it's a concern for you?

 

[RedlineSi]

Is this invite open to all of us Do you charge extra for drool cleanup?

LOL! If someone is seriously interested in EVs or a Rivian, I would certainly be willing to help