*** Official #24 IOWA STATE vs #20 BYU Game(Day) Thread ***

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Holding them to <= 10 threes will be a monumental task. They've made at least 10 in all but 3 of their games.

I think a more likely good outcome is their game at Cincy, where they took 72% (!!!) of their shots (46 of 64) from deep, making 13 (28%), but they only scored 21 points on non-3s and lost 71-60, while turning the ball over 18 times. That's basically the best-case scenario for playing them, IMO
I watched most of that game and BYU didn’t handle the Cincinnati defense well and also fouled a lot when Cincinnati was aggressive at taking it to the hoop. I doubt that they will be prepared for ISU’ defense or for how well we drive to the basket.
 
Can their guards handle the ball pressure we'll put on them? Tough to get wide open threes when you turn the ball over. We saw what our pressure did to OSUs guards. If all their guards can do is hit 3s and they aren’t good at handling through pressure they're going to be in trouble.
 
Can their guards handle the ball pressure we'll put on them? Tough to get wide open threes when you turn the ball over. We saw what our pressure did to OSUs guards. If all their guards can do is hit 3s and they aren’t good at handling through pressure they're going to be in trouble.
Iowa and Houston were both low turnover teams, and it didn't go so well for either of them.

The difference maybe being that it is a little easier to turn people over in your building, despite the ol' axiom that defense travels.
 
Per BYU podcast, BYU is -44 in free throws attemptted through 3 games in Big 12 play.

They are well aware that's unsustainable, but they don't think BYU is built to get to the line more than they have been. The only obvious answer is to foul less, but this conference is especially unkind to teams that give up points in the paint. (Hence the TJ/Kyle Green insistence on over-helping and doubling the ball out at all costs...to which I 100% agree with that strategy, although it seems increasingly unpopular on CF)

Which leads me to my next unpopular take: I want to see more Keshon Gilbert forcing the issue at the rim, especially early in the shot clock when the defense is still getting settled and sorting stuff out. Refs DO give you more benefit of the doubt for attacking early and don't want to be seen as bailing people out late.

Basically, yes, I want a little more "hero ball" from Keshon. Nothing crazy, but more. If you've ever been on the other side of it, it's really tough to manage getting blitzed downhill earlier and more often than you like by someone who is good at it.

The late clock foul calls are the ones that really get the crowd and opposing coaches hot, and refs are human after all. That's when "hero ball" really can get you in trouble. The early ones get a groan and quick protest, but its usually comparatively mild and short lived. The coaches actually usually tend to get on their guys for not stopping ball for early clock drives, but they ALWAYS get on the refs for the late ones.

And like I said before, it sucks to be on the receiving end of it. You start racking up fouls and pointing fingers. It also chops the game up and gets you out of your own flow offensively, which only enhances our style of play.
I agree with Gilbert, in conference he's just not attacking.
 
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BYU's double digit loss to Cincy at home on the surface is perplexing.

Looking at the box score it appears BYU shot poorly while Cincy was very efficient. Cincy normally not a good three point shooting team shot 40% but on only 6 made 3's.

Cincy is a good defensive team but average on defending three's. I know there can be a whole other thread on the significance of 3pt defensive metrics but the poor shooting probably comes down to poor shooting and some Cincy defense.

The real key stat is Cincy made 19 FT's to BYU's 5. In fact BYU attempted only 10. So as Cyclone fans in the Fred years know you don't shoot as many FT when you shoot a lot three's.

This year we are the 30th rated team according to Bart Torvik at getting to the line. The question is will we make them. If we do I like our chances on coming out with a win.
BYU shot 13-46 from 3. 46! Of course Grinnell holds the record at 111.
 
Can their guards handle the ball pressure we'll put on them? Tough to get wide open threes when you turn the ball over. We saw what our pressure did to OSUs guards. If all their guards can do is hit 3s and they aren’t good at handling through pressure they're going to be in trouble.
Their guards, in general, are very experienced and are have low turnover rates. They are top 20 in terms of limiting opponents opportunities from turnovers.

BUT, three of their highest TO games are their 3 conference games. They didn't play anyone with a good defense in the non-conf.
 
I agree with Gilbert, in conference he's just not attacking.
I think the difference is that he was hitting more outside shots in the noncon, and now that he isn't, defenders can back off a bit and make it harder for him to blow by them. We hadn't needed to run much for him as he was getting it on his own, but we might need to do that from time to time until he starts making them respect his shot.
 
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I think the difference is that he was hitting more outside shots in the noncon, and now that he isn't, defenders can back off a bit and make it harder for him to blow by them. We hadn't needed to run much for him as he was getting it on his own, but we might need to do that from time to time until he starts making them respect his shot.
Wow, I hadn't realize just how cold he's been. in the TAMU, Depaul, EIU stretch he went 7-12 from deep. Since then he's gone 1-16!
 
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Wow, I hadn't realize just how cold he's been. in the TAMU, Depaul, EIU stretch he went 7-12 from deep. Since then he's gone 1-16!

I'll attribute the bulk to better athletes. It's a lot harder to blow by, and shoot over, Big 12 level comp than it is Q4 level scrubs.
 
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