Yeah, it's enforced. Maybe not consistently, but there have been some instances in the past that don't look great for the university.
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Probably been said already but BYU has great shooting guards who don't like on ball pressure and average bigs. For the love of God do not do our usual double team and leave guys wide open for 3! Play everybody straight up and I feel good about our chances
I don't think BYU is all that great...but I also don't like our three point defense. I think they're gonna hit a ton and we lose by 10+. Please let me eat crow.
BYU's double digit loss to Cincy at home on the surface is perplexing.
Looking at the box score it appears BYU shot poorly while Cincy was very efficient. Cincy normally not a good three point shooting team shot 40% but on only 6 made 3's.
Cincy is a good defensive team but average on defending three's. I know there can be a whole other thread on the significance of 3pt defensive metrics but the poor shooting probably comes down to poor shooting and some Cincy defense.
The real key stat is Cincy made 19 FT's to BYU's 5. In fact BYU attempted only 10. So as Cyclone fans in the Fred years know you don't shoot as many FT when you shoot a lot three's.
This year we are the 30th rated team according to Bart Torvik at getting to the line. The question is will we make them. If we do I like our chances on coming out with a win.
Looking at the box score it appears BYU shot poorly while Cincy was very efficient. Cincy normally not a good three point shooting team shot 40% but on only 6 made 3's.
Cincy is a good defensive team but average on defending three's. I know there can be a whole other thread on the significance of 3pt defensive metrics but the poor shooting probably comes down to poor shooting and some Cincy defense.
The real key stat is Cincy made 19 FT's to BYU's 5. In fact BYU attempted only 10. So as Cyclone fans in the Fred years know you don't shoot as many FT when you shoot a lot three's.
This year we are the 30th rated team according to Bart Torvik at getting to the line. The question is will we make them. If we do I like our chances on coming out with a win.
Per BYU podcast, BYU is -44 in free throws attemptted through 3 games in Big 12 play.
They are well aware that's unsustainable, but they don't think BYU is built to get to the line more than they have been. The only obvious answer is to foul less, but this conference is especially unkind to teams that give up points in the paint. (Hence the TJ/Kyle Green insistence on over-helping and doubling the ball out at all costs...to which I 100% agree with that strategy, although it seems increasingly unpopular on CF)
Which leads me to my next unpopular take: I want to see more Keshon Gilbert forcing the issue at the rim, especially early in the shot clock when the defense is still getting settled and sorting stuff out. Refs DO give you more benefit of the doubt for attacking early and don't want to be seen as bailing people out late.
Basically, yes, I want a little more "hero ball" from Keshon. Nothing crazy, but more. If you've ever been on the other side of it, it's really tough to manage getting blitzed downhill earlier and more often than you like by someone who is good at it.
The late clock foul calls are the ones that really get the crowd and opposing coaches hot, and refs are human after all. That's when "hero ball" really can get you in trouble. The early ones get a groan and quick protest, but its usually comparatively mild and short lived. The coaches actually usually tend to get on their guys for not stopping ball for early clock drives, but they ALWAYS get on the refs for the late ones.
And like I said before, it sucks to be on the receiving end of it. You start racking up fouls and pointing fingers. It also chops the game up and gets you out of your own flow offensively, which only enhances our style of play.
Seems like a rough matchup. Gonna have to find a different strategy on defense. They don't seem like a very large roster, so maybe chasing them off the 3 line is a better option, they might not be able to hang in the post with our bigs.
Got a bad feeling about this one. We’ve been torched by wide open 3s way too much and that’s how BYU operates. If they’re making even a decent clip, they win.
Much like Oklahoma was never a top 10.....BYU isn't a top 20. The only reason for concern it's on the road. Other than that BYU is nothing special.
Bet the house on the under 144.5
if ISU manages to get to 70 AND gives up 75+... I'll order season tickets to carver hokeye, and I'll actually go. The ultimate torture.
if ISU manages to get to 70 AND gives up 75+... I'll order season tickets to carver hokeye, and I'll actually go. The ultimate torture.
I agree with all of the above, plus the Clones need to make free throws at about the same rate that they have so far in conference play.
72% of BYU's shots were from deep in that game and they had a season high 18 turnovers- against the only top 30 defense they've played this year. It's the blueprint for the game tonight, if everything goes well
And is also quite similar to the women's game against WVU where WVU took ~70% of their shots from deep, had a big lead, but couldn't keep hot from distance and then lost
I disagree. It's a problem if they are making threes and scoring in the paint, getting to the line, etc. But if our defense is working correctly they are not scoring in the lane and we are getting turnovers on ~25% of possessions. As such we are willing to give them a look from 3 if they can successfully swing the ball 3-4 times without turning it over.
We haven't given up more than 11 threes in a game this year, which really isn't that many. BYU has made at least 14 threes in 8 (!!!) games so far.
I understand it's painful to watch when the other team hits those threes when they are open, but it's part of the defensive strategy and shutting down those threes would come at the cost of not getting turnovers or locking down the lane.
Turnovers forced are much more indicative to whether we win or not than 3pt shooting. In our 13 wins, we've forced turnovers on >20% of opponent possessions. In the 3 losses it's been <= 20%.
The things to worry about during the game is if we aren't forcing turnovers or if it seems like BYU is scoring in the paint a lot.
Don't they have the largest basketball arena in the B12? Wonder how full the place will be.
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