Time for a Real Discussion About Caitlin Clark
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I don't disagree but I have no clue how that's your takeaway from my post. Of course there are good role models in the NBA. But I can tell you this weekend I saw in the course of 3 5th grade boys games a kid go to the ground screaming "And one", I saw a kid give another kid the "too small", I saw a kid make a layup and look at a kid and flex, I saw a kid hit a 3 and do look at his bench and do the three fingers to your head thing. I can then tell you I've never seen anything of the like at a girls basketball game. So if Caitlin Clark and her "antics" are out here ruining the girls basketball game, I sure haven't seen it.
I would say that if 5th-graders are doing those things, it's a coaching issue.
My great nieces have been going to Lyndsey Fennelley’s camps that sometimes seem to involve Georges. Maybe she’s sending out girls who don’t whine about every call.
I got a call to go ref a few parks and rec games involving second and third grade girls a year ago as they were desperate. One of them called me a ***** for calling a travel when she went from half court to the hoop on one dribble. I can let a lot of traveling go at that age, but that was a hell of a lot of steps. At least she didn’t shrug at the girl she beat to the hoop. I have a feeling the parents have a lot more influence on behavior at that age than any college or professional player.
But again, go back to the post I was referring to. I don't disagree it's a coaching issue. I wouldn't tolerate it on any team I coach. But the original posters issue with CC seems to be that her antics are going to create the generation of whiney girls basketball players. My point is, as someone who is around alot of youth basketball, that I've never seen it at the girls level. Boys? Yes. But am I seeing some deluge of young girls yelling at refs? No way. And you can't convince me there isn't a note of sexism to the whole thing. You see this stuff at every level of the mens game, and it doesn't cause a stir. CC does it and all the sudden she's a horrible role model. Get real.
I don't cheer for CC. I don't want Iowa to win. But I'm not going to pretend she isn't a great player, and I'm not going to pretend her exposure isn't great for women's basketball. There are some totally embarrassing posts in this thread that reflect poorly on our fanbase.
Yeah, but she was nothing in the pros...oh nevermind, the Minnesota Lynx would say otherwise.
I didn't say anything about CC creating a new generation of girls that will mimic CC's antics on the court in my OP. I just can't stand her antics.
People outside of Iowa get more Purdy coverage than Iowans. That’s just weird.
Flip the college jerseys and DesMonies local media gives CC her one feature story a week and becomes 24/7 Brock Center squeezing out all other topics with a healthy dose of jaw dropping at how Haliburton is a top 5 nba player. There’s no conspiracy there, that’s just the way it is, I’m sure CW knows it’s what makes his business model possible that the legacy media takes pride in treating ISU as second rate.
We’ll know definitively next year if they have wall to wall WNBA coverage for first time ever but ignore local top 5 NBA and NFL players. A local qb Super Bowl appearance, title or mvp getting far less coverage than wcbb would also be a laugher.
Note I’ve not dismissed her play or fame. Note I have looked up and critiqued her advanced stats while saying “looks like goat of women’s cbb to me”. Our fans are thin skinned but with local media it’s just the truth.
Yeah, it's almost as bad as getting worked up over people getting worked up over it. And don't tell me you aren't since you have posted at least a dozen versions of this same post.
Anyone who didn't recognize that as nothing more than a political stunt to curry favor with Iowa caucus goers has their head in the sand.
Where are people getting all this Purdy coverage at? The Bay area maybe. He and Halliburton aren't from Iowa. The fact that CC is from wdm means shes going to bury them in coverage. It has zero to do with ISU. Iowans cover their own at nauseum. You didn't know this? I'm an ISU fan an I really couldn't give a **** less about Purdy and Halliburton either. I'm not fans of their teams. They don't really say much about George Kittle either.
There’s a thread dedicated to CC with 58 pages and counting that has barely left the home page in months. Majority of it dominated by Iowa state fans complaining about the following:
Her complaining on the court
Too much media attention
Comparison to MJ and Tiger (this one is valid)
Her celebrating incorrectly after a game winning shot
Something about Wisconsin’s arena capacity?
Her antics on the court ruining youth athletics
Some really disturbing posts about how much they hate her and how she affects their personal lives
I’m sure I missed some. Do you know why she’s doesn’t bother me? I don’t watch her or consume any content about her because she plays for Iowa. Unless they play Isu I have zero interest or care what they are doing over there.
And now you’re getting worked up over him getting worked up over people getting worked up over CC. And it’s getting me worked up. When will the madness end?
Do you think by some odd chance the reason the local news covers her so much is because she is from West Des Moines? I would honestly expect local PHX stations to give way more coverage to Purdy than DM stations. They tend to do that over the hometown kids.
I actually don't think that's true about if you switched Brock and CC's school. The local media just doesn't cover pro sports that much. And when you say "local", with Brock we aren't talking about someone who isn't from Iowa and has no roots here other than having played 4 years of college football here.
This inferiority stuff is so dumb. They are covering CC because she's a native Iowan, playing in Iowa, for a prominent Iowa college and doing things that are nationally relevant. Brock is not a native Iowa, not playing in Iowa and playing for a team that many Iowans don't care about. Surely you can see why you cover one more than the other...?
If we are talking CC and great accomplishments.... look no further than the legendary Christi Canyon.
You think before CC and Brock that Iowa football fans and general sports radio/print/web media consumers in Iowa followed women's college basketball more closely than the NFL? Sorry but that's absolutely entirely impossible. I mean that's absurd.
Iowa fans (and a lot of other local Iowans) are suddenly bandwagon WBB fans when they really weren't before, ISU fans are suddenly NFL/49ers fans even if they weren't before...but a MASSIVE portion of college football fans (Cyclones and Hawkeyes) have always and will always followed NFL, not the case with WBB.
Nationally the stories are at least comparable in terms of random sports fan interest, I'm being incredibly generous to the CC groupies in Iowa because I'm telling you on the west coast there's absolutely no way Brock is less of a story, I mean it's a massively bigger story in sports media what he has done. I'd agree for people who are not sports fans and just likes to see women's empowerment that CC is probably a bigger story and something non sports media would be more interested in...that's not sports media consumers though.
How many Iowa football fans watch any Iowa high women's Iowa high school basketball? How many watched CC's high school games? CC and Brock both played their full college careers in the state, Brock is possibly the most beloved athlete in ISU fb history. This "she's local and Brock was a hired gun from out of state we have no connection with" is also completely ridiculous, ffs Brock was back riding a combine with his fiance on his bye week. If a Hawkeye did what Brock has done as a QB it'd be the top story every monday in local media...ZERO DOUBT, I would bet my life on it stress free.
I have no inferiority complex. It's just the truth that the local media has always been unabashed Hawkeye homers. Like I said, it what makes Cyclone Fanatic's business model a success. It's why this board is so much better than the vast majority of others including all the Iowa sites, they don't need their version of CF because all the legacy media is hawkeye media.
If the refswould T up those little brats that crap would quit in a hurry. If the coaches support the refs you could reel that in a hurry, but does anyone care or is it encouraged?