Time for a Real Discussion About Caitlin Clark

[deadeyededric]

Whining about calls all game = killer instinct.

That's all you got? Michael Jordan never missed a shot he didn't think he was fouled on. Apparently you weren't old enough to watch. It's pretty common with great players. She's had more game winning shots herself than all the women in ISU history put together. She's a great player. Who cares if she plays at Iowa. Get over it FFS!

 

[1776]

She definitely has to be in the conversation for best women's collegiate player ever IMO.

Now... if she had Ashley Joens on court demeanor... she'd be the total package. On the court, I'd much rather have my daughter act like Ashley than CC any day, not even a discussion.

It's too bad that Iowa didn't offer Joens and they could have played together.

 

[clonedude]

Not me. I'd rather have my kid have a killer instinct. That's clearly a big part of why she is so successful. She'll make a living playing pro ball unlike Ashley Joens.

You don't have to act like CC does on the court to have a killer instinct.... possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Joens was a class act on the court, and off the court both. And also did make the WNBA. Not everyone has the abilities of CC.

 

[clonedude]

So if CC success is based on titles why are you butthurt Brock Purdy is "underappreciated"?

Where did I come across as 'butthurt' about Purdy being 'underappreciated'? Your reading comprehension skills are terrible. I think Brock is getting plenty of appreciation... leading candidate for MVP isn't too bad.

Do I think Brock should be compared to MJ or Tiger though? No way in hell. Not even anywhere close. But Hawk fans think CC should be? That's laughable.

 

[CyCity]

That's all you got? Michael Jordan never missed a shot he didn't think he was fouled on. Apparently you weren't old enough to watch. It's pretty common with great players. She's had more game winning shots herself than all the women in ISU history put together. She's a great player. Who cares if she plays at Iowa. Get over it FFS!

You comparing Clark’s on court antics to Michael Jordan is all I needed to read to put you on ignore. That the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

 

[kcdc4isu]

That's all you got? Michael Jordan never missed a shot he didn't think he was fouled on. Apparently you weren't old enough to watch. It's pretty common with great players. She's had more game winning shots herself than all the women in ISU history put together. She's a great player. Who cares if she plays at Iowa. Get over it FFS!

Link? Or just your perception.

 

[1776]

Where did I come across as 'butthurt' about Purdy being 'underappreciated'? Your reading comprehension skills are terrible. I think Brock is getting plenty of appreciation... leading candidate for MVP isn't too bad.

Do I think Brock should be compared to MJ or Tiger though? No way in hell. Not even anywhere close. But Hawk fans think CC should be? That's laughable.

It’s a frickin’ joke what the national media has done to Brock Purdy.

The fact these ‘analysts’ or ‘experts’ refuse to give him any acknowledgement or credit for what he’s doing just shows how little they know.

Every single successful QB in the history of football has been surrounded by great talent. Was Joe Montana looked at like a game manager? He had Rice, Taylor, Clark, and Roger Craig…. plus the best OL in the league. Oh…. and btw…. Purdy just set the all time record for passing yards in a 49er season…. more than Montana ever had.

Technically you didn't use the word underappreciated.

 

[Cyhig]

She went to UCONN. She isn't winning any more championships than CC if she isn't at UCONN or Tennessee. CC took Iowa to the NC game. If she's actually overrated Iowa's roster must be absolutely loaded with talent. How many national championship games have the ISU women been too? Is Bluder just that good of a coach?

So you are only looking at Diana’s collegiate work? You want to ignore the 3 time WNBA championships, the 6 time Euro League championships, the 7 time Russian League Championships, the 5 gold medals, 3 World Cup titles, and we haven’t even touched the personal awards yet.

Diana is considered the best women’s basketball player because she wins titles. Could CC be that successful in her career? Quite possibly. But it is WAY too early to know for sure.

And your argument is just like why Purdy shouldn’t be considered a great QB: he is surrounded by talent. So I guess you don’t think much about Purdy, too

 

[CyCity]

Link? Or just your perception.

Clark’s missed more game winning shots than Iowa State combined!

 

[ISUTex]

That's all you got? Michael Jordan never missed a shot he didn't think he was fouled on. Apparently you weren't old enough to watch. It's pretty common with great players. She's had more game winning shots herself than all the women in ISU history put together. She's a great player. Who cares if she plays at Iowa. Get over it FFS!

Exaggerate much? Take the Caitlyn Clark poster off of your ceiling.

 

[clonedude]

Technically you didn't use the word underappreciated.

A lot of the national media has been unfair to Brock, no doubt. Not all, but a lot. But he was obviously still being appreciated by some since he was favored to win MVP.

But if you watched some of those sports talk shows on ESPN and FSN... it was shameful how they were giving Brock no credit at all for what he was doing.

But evidently the people that matter are appreciating what he's done or he wouldn't be one of the leading candidates for MVP... I think that's enough recognition for now.

Back on topic... I've NEVER said Purdy should be mentioned in the same breath or conversation as MJ or Tiger... that's just absurd. Just the opposite... Purdy isn't anywhere in the same universe as MJ or Tiger. Have you mentioned CC in the same breath as MJ and Tiger?? If so... that's also absurd.

 

[GTO]

She is so unlikeable. The kind of player you root against just because of her attitude.

Draymond Green/Grayson Allen level.

 

[HFCS]

Makes it even more impressive that everyone knows shes getting the ball and they still can't stop her. Michael Jordan was overrated too then. Only players that are actually overrated are allowed by their coaches to take that many shots. In all seriousness I don't even know what you are arguing. You are pretty much making my point. Appreciate it.

I love looking at advanced stats of NBA players. I’ve never really looked at it for wbb college players so I just looked at hers. Some of her efficiency stats aren’t quite as dominant as I’d have guessed like true shooting %. It’s always hard arguing goat stuff because you have to criticize stats that are still great.

The combined points/assists and points produced in just 4 years would do it for me in terms of goat, but there is some efficiency stuff to pick at and criticize in that goat context. In what little I’ve seen she’s obviously attempting much harder shots that players who went before. By taking those difficult shots she’s typically been about the 10th most effective shooter in just the Big Ten. Iowa probably wants her to be this insanely high usage rate player and shoot 38% from 3 instead of a more selective shooter and hit 45%, at least it looks that way.

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[HFCS]

A lot of the national media has been unfair to Brock, no doubt. Not all, but a lot. But he was obviously still being appreciated by some since he was favored to win MVP.

But if you watched some of those sports talk shows on ESPN and FSN... it was shameful how they were giving Brock no credit at all for what he was doing.

But evidently the people that matter are appreciating what he's done or he wouldn't be one of the leading candidates for MVP... I think that's enough recognition for now.

Back on topic... I've NEVER said Purdy should be mentioned in the same breath or conversation as MJ or Tiger... that's just absurd. Just the opposite... Purdy isn't anywhere in the same universe as MJ or Tiger. Have you mentioned CC in the same breath as MJ and Tiger?? If so... that's also absurd.

I’m in the second biggest metro and Purdy is definitely the more well known feel good story. I mean it’s not even a question.

The Purdy and Haliburton stories get far more coverage by national media that by Iowa media, because national media has no cyhawk bias. It’ll be hilarious if Purdy and Haliburton are still this dominant next year and DesMoines media suddenly covers WNBA for first time ever while still ignoring them.

 

[GTO]

Makes it even more impressive that everyone knows shes getting the ball and they still can't stop her. Michael Jordan was overrated too then. Only players that are actually overrated are allowed by their coaches to take that many shots. In all seriousness I don't even know what you are arguing. You are pretty much making my point. Appreciate it.

What I'm saying is that you value her greatness by the numbers she is putting. We don't know if any of the other greats could put up the same numbers in her same situation if allowed to just jack up an insanely high amount of shots and basically have zero leash no matter how bad the shot selection.
Also, her assist numbers are partially a result of all the junk defenses they throw at her. Passing out of a double/triple team will guarantee an easy wide open shot for someone else.

 

[HFCS]

What I'm saying is that you value her greatness by the numbers she is putting. We don't know if any of the other greats could put up the same numbers in her same situation if allowed to just jack up an insanely high amount of shots and basically have zero leash no matter how bad the shot selection.
Also, her assist numbers are partially a result of all the junk defenses they throw at her. Passing out of a double/triple team will guarantee an easy wide open shot for someone else.

In the NBA some years James Harden has had elite assist numbers and he’s just a normal level non gifted passer. Good vision but nothing exceptional. Trae Young is a little like that too, in fact my first wbb deep dive as an nba stat junkie CC’s stats most remind me of Trae Young.

Where if you watch Jokic and Haliburton you can see they are likely among the greatest passers in history. The #s and totals aren’t necessarily radically different because Harden had a lot of teams where it was everybody stand around and watch Harden.

 

[GTO]

She went to UCONN. She isn't winning any more championships than CC if she isn't at UCONN or Tennessee. CC took Iowa to the NC game. If she's actually overrated Iowa's roster must be absolutely loaded with talent. How many national championship games have the ISU women been too? Is Bluder just that good of a coach?

If CC had gone to UConn, Geno Auriemma would have had Clark play within his system and I can guarantee you she would not be putting up these numbers. First 1-on-5 shot from near half court she missed would have earned her an ass-chewing and a trip to the bench.
Also, you can't blame 5-star players for going to a powerhouse like UConn. Clark is an anomaly by picking a mid program like Iowa. In the end, it was likely done on purpose so that she would not have to share the spotlight and be allowed the freedom to do as she pleases and take as many shots as she wants.

 

[SplitIdentity]

Wut??

WAY more people in this country know who Brock Purdy is than know who CC is…. not even close. Purdy is possibly the leading candidate for MVP of the NFL.

So are ISU fans running around comparing Purdy to MJ or Tiger? Hell no. Even if Purdy won MVP and the Super Bowl this year….. he still wouldn’t even come anywhere close to being mentioned in the same breath as MJ or Tiger. And no Cyclone fan would be dumb enough to make that comparison.

But Hassel, and many other Hawk fans, mention CC in the same breath as MJ and Tiger…. that’s beyond stupid. Just ignorant and insanely arrogant.

This is a thread about a college kid changing her sport, not an NFL guy having an incredible season. Please stay on topic.

 

[Cyched]

I’m in the second biggest metro and Purdy is definitely the more well known feel good story. I mean it’s not even a question.

The Purdy and Haliburton stories get far more coverage by national media that by Iowa media, because national media has no cyhawk bias. It’ll be hilarious if Purdy and Haliburton are still this dominant next year and DesMoines media suddenly covers WNBA for first time ever while still ignoring them.

Granted I don't watch a ton of local news, but I haven't heard much about CC out here either. Can't really see that changing unless CU plays Iowa in the tourney, or she suits up for the Broncos.

 

[CyCity]

In the NBA some years James Harden has had elite assist numbers and he’s just a normal level non gifted passer. Good vision but nothing exceptional. Trae Young is a little like that too, in fact my first wbb deep dive as an nba stat junkie CC’s stats most remind me of Trae Young.

Where if you watch Jokic and Haliburton you can see they are likely among the greatest passers in history. The #s and totals aren’t necessarily radically different because Harden had a lot of teams where it was everybody stand around and watch Harden.

Trae Young is a generational player!