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I'm 100% WFH, so this meeting was virtual from my home office. Once the meeting was over, I walked downstairs and told my wife what was said and "I'm going to start looking for a new job immediately." Pretty easy to get my spouse on board when I'm asked to choose family vs job.

Thankfully, I'm in a good profession (engineering) but it's not a great time of year to be job searching. I've got some irons cooking (one even thanks to CF!) but people aren't making any hiring decisions in the next month, most likely.

I am grateful I don't feel at risk of being fired at the moment. I think my boss knows things would get even worse if I were to be gone.

Construction engineering type, right? Probably don't have healthcare/software background?
 
I appreciate the validation. I was in shock when those words were spoken. This was virtual, so the person probably couldn't read my body language after that. I was already having doubts about this job, then that comment was spoken and the switch flipped mentally "Ok, I'm done here. Now it's time to find something else."

I decided to pursue some part-time coursework at my own behest. I did not inform my boss because I'm not asking for company time or reimbursement for the coursework. I decided to share this in my review to show how I'm taking initiative. This is rich...my boss sh*t all over the idea because "that doesn't help the company" and then has the gall to tell me one of my goals should be "personal development."
This comment from the boss seems to be another flag. The fact that your supervisor is discouraging additional coursework like that is alarming just by itself.

The advice that @cowgirl836 provided might be stirring the pot, but a carefully worded email like that might be necessary in my opinion. Those comments were egregious enough that it deserves to be called out and put on record. Even if he backtracks on his initial remarks, it lets him know that he can't just walk over you and others.
 
I just had my annual review. I was told my 50 hours/week was "way too low" and "it takes 60-80 hours a week to advance at this company." Then the next comment from my boss was "But you're a dad/husband, so you gotta decide which one you want." I wanted to quit on the spot. That's a moral wrong in my book. But I have a family to provide for. I am working 60 hours a week now...40 hours for my day job and 20 hours/week to find a new one.
That sucks. No one should be told they should be working 60-80 hours. Hope you find something less demanding. Pretty sure if I was ever told that it would be the last review I'd have there as I'd start my job search the minute that review was over.

There was a time my wife was working 60+ hours a week before we had kids. There were nights she would stay at work till 7 or 8 pm or go in for awhile on the weekend (this was before remote work was an option) and it got to the point I told her if she wanted kids she needed to find a new job as I was not going to raise kids by myself because she felt she had to work long hours. To her credit she agreed and found a better job situation but even since then she'll change job roles within the company and it leads to more hours and I have to be honest and call it out again that she needs to find a better work/personal life balance. May be a tough conversation to have but she appreciates the honesty that helps her realize how she's strayed from her priorities a bit so she can adjust. Glad we can have those conversations openly to make sure work doesn't drive a wedge between us because it gets stressful a d tense around the house when it does and our family means more than any job does.
 
Yeah, civil/construction guy. Not a healthcare or software background, unfortunately.
Probably doesn't pay what you make now, but there are a couple of engineering positions open at ISU https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/I...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3

Might not be up your alley, but there is also an interesting position called a "Cow Comfort Specialist." https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/e...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3
 
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Probably doesn't pay what you make now, but there are a couple of engineering positions open at ISU https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/I...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3

Might not be up your alley, but there is also an interesting position called a "Cow Comfort Specialist." https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/e...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3

The last one is less formally known as cow pusher, moving the cows from their pens to the parlor to be milked, cleaning stalls etc..
 
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That sucks. No one should be told they should be working 60-80 hours. Hope you find something less demanding. Pretty sure if I was ever told that it would be the last review I'd have there as I'd start my job search the minute that review was over.

There was a time my wife was working 60+ hours a week before we had kids. There were nights she would stay at work till 7 or 8 pm or go in for awhile on the weekend (this was before remote work was an option) and it got to the point I told her if she wanted kids she needed to find a new job as I was not going to raise kids by myself because she felt she had to work long hours. To her credit she agreed and found a better job situation but even since then she'll change job roles within the company and it leads to more hours and I have to be honest and call it out again that she needs to find a better work/personal life balance. May be a tough conversation to have but she appreciates the honesty that helps her realize how she's strayed from her priorities a bit so she can adjust. Glad we can have those conversations openly to make sure work doesn't drive a wedge between us because it gets stressful a d tense around the house when it does and our family means more than any job does.
I did that stuff early in my career too. I took a role 2 years out of school that had me on the road 3 out oof every 4 weeks working 21 days straight and 14-16 hours a day. But it was a 50% pay bump and we had student loans to pay off.

That stuff was fine early in life before we had kids. Now I would never entertain a job like that.

For me, it’s important to make sure my kids feel that I'm present in their life. That’s different for everyone because each of us has a different approach to relationships. For me, it’s that I’m home most nights and when I’m home, I’m home.
 
I just had my annual review. I was told my 50 hours/week was "way too low" and "it takes 60-80 hours a week to advance at this company." Then the next comment from my boss was "But you're a dad/husband, so you gotta decide which one you want." I wanted to quit on the spot. That's a moral wrong in my book. But I have a family to provide for. I am working 60 hours a week now...40 hours for my day job and 20 hours/week to find a new one.

Absolutely shocked to hear this...I couldn't imagine what I would do if that was said to me. Kudos for taking it in stride but internally seeing the huge red flag to GTFO asap.

Closest I got to that was at an old firm, it was somewhat suggested my wife or my kids' grandparents should watch my kids when they are sick instead of me using my PTO...I wasn't very happy but just ate that one.

You and I both know there is a lot of need in the engineering world and with your experience/competence I'm sure you can find a much better situation.
 
Absolutely shocked to hear this...I couldn't imagine what I would do if that was said to me. Kudos for taking it in stride but internally seeing the huge red flag to GTFO asap.

Closest I got to that was at an old firm, it was somewhat suggested my wife or my kids' grandparents should watch my kids when they are sick instead of me using my PTO...I wasn't very happy but just ate that one.

You and I both know there is a lot of need in the engineering world and with your experience/competence I'm sure you can find a much better situation.
It's always wild when management assumes there's grandparents (your or her parents), that you still have a relationship with, that they live nearby, that they don't work, that they're capable of watching your children, and that they can do this at the drop of a hat. (My wife hasn't had parents since she was a teenager.)
 
It's always wild when management assumes there's grandparents (your or her parents), that you still have a relationship with, that they live nearby, that they don't work, that they're capable of watching your children, and that they can do this at the drop of a hat. (My wife hasn't had parents since she was a teenager.)

Agreed. My parents live in Texas, and my wife's dad lives in California as a laborer (from what I understand, no real retirement). My wife's Mom is allowed nowhere near our future children or us.
 
It's always wild when management assumes there's grandparents (your or her parents), that you still have a relationship with, that they live nearby, that they don't work, that they're capable of watching your children, and that they can do this at the drop of a hat. (My wife hasn't had parents since she was a teenager.)

100%. I liked this guy but he was old school. I'm sure he was annoyed my wife wasn't a stay at home Mom. She's a teacher and its not easy for them to just take time off unplanned. She'd have to go in to school in the middle of the night to make sub plans.
 
That doesn't really seem like a valid reason to require employees to be in office X days per week. So what if a competitor is in office, what does that have to do with WF?
It isn’t about competitors, it’s about tax breaks. West Des Moines wants thousands of people flooding the big shopping and eating areas every day.
 
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It isn’t about competitors, it’s about tax breaks. West Des Moines wants thousands of people flooding the big shopping and eating areas every day.

Yeah I was just responding to the poster who said WF was just following the lead of other big banks. Doesn't really matter who starts it, IMO. Tax breaks would make more sense than just doing it because other banks are doing it. Not that any of that helps the employees.
 
No, they do not claim to be family friendly. I will say, in every review I've ever had, I've been exceptional. This is a new job at a new company, so it's my first review.

This review was so bad, my boss and I scheduled a follow up meeting. When I brought up the comments made about hours, my boss flatly denied that anything was said regarding hours. It was bizarre. Best I can figure is my boss realized we might have been entering lawsuit territory since there is no documented expectation of hours for my role.

That's why you have your phone recording the conversation.
 
*Iowa is a one-party consent state, check local laws before doing any recording on the sly.

I don't give a crap, send me to jail or whatever, but I'll get the company in trouble in the meantime.

If nothing else you blast it all over social media and the media and ruin their reputation.
 
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Probably doesn't pay what you make now, but there are a couple of engineering positions open at ISU https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/I...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3

Might not be up your alley, but there is also an interesting position called a "Cow Comfort Specialist." https://isu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/e...bFamilyGroup=ad349100dff4012cd16be00a060a20e3

Ha, I can tell you what the 2nd one is. It's grunt work on the dairy but with a fancier name. Probably get a lot of students taking that role.
 
Ha, I can tell you what the 2nd one is. It's grunt work on the dairy but with a fancier name. Probably get a lot of students taking that role.
Or maybe not, because there's always at least one listed.
 
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