Discussion on tie breakers.. it sucks..
- Thread starter Yellow Snow
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The league was doing the right thing at the time. For years nobody cared if a league without a championship game (remember the Big 12 was barred by the NCAA from having one at the time) crowned teams tied at the top as co-champs. It was just another ******** excuse to mold the playoff bracket the way the committee wanted to.
Unless there is a legitimate reason not to, a league should err on the side of awarding trophies and championship titles to each team that finished at the top of the bracket. In BB despite having to have a tiebreaker for conference tournament seeding the league awards trophies to all co-champs who finished with the best (equal) record in league play.
A ******** request after the season is done for the league to name a single team among tied teams as their sole champion is not a legitimate reason.
KidSilverhair
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I say the conference just needs to go Friday Night Lights tiebreaker. Have the coaches for all the tied teams meet at a liquor store in Wichita or somewhere, and have them flip coins, odd coin flip out, until they have the CCG teams. Easy peasy.
KidSilverhair
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That all-important “13th data point” just doesn’t seem to apply when it comes to 1-loss SEC teams that don’t even make the CCG, either.
"There have been no changes to any rules regarding Big 12 Football tiebreaker procedures"
False. This may be a correct rule change, but it is still a rule change.
And if I am understanding that, if ISU wins out ISU would be in the Big 12 title game?
We still need OU or OSU to lose once. In a four-way tie with OU, OSU, UT, ISU, or a three-way tie that drops Texas, OSU holds the tiebreaker for the #1 spot and OU holds the tiebreaker over ISU or ISU/UT combined for the #2 spot.
Makes no sense. How can OSU get in ahead of ISU in that scenario? Remember if we win out, we have a shot at 10 wins if we win the B12 championship. There's a lot on the line so ISU better make sure the B12 doesn't screw this up.
That 13th data point thing might be the most bull---t concept ever invented when it comes to playoff selection.
If it's OU, OSU, ISU, then each team is 1-1 in the round robin so it goes with record down the standings from there. If it's OU, OSU, ISU, UT, then nobody swept the other three and they didn't all play each other (UT didn't play OSU) so again it goes with record down the standings.
In either case (with or without UT), the next team down the standings they all played was Kansas. OSU and Texas both beat Kansas while ISU and OU both lost. OSU holds the tiebreaker over Texas based on overall record in common games (there's a weird fluke where they are equal in common games going down the standings but not overall because OSU was better vs OU and ISU than Texas was).
OSU needs to be put on upset watch again. The remaining schedule is viewed by most as soft and they control their own destiny, so there's a good chance they will be feeling some pressure. We've seen it personally that Gundy coached teams can turtle in that situation in the past.
I don't think OU is losing another one.
The good news is, if the ball bounces ISU's way and OSU somehow loses in their 3 pm game on Saturday, our guys will know about it before kickoff against UT. At that point (not knowing all the weird scenarios) they'd have to feel like their job is just to win and be in after two weeks.
I don't think OU is losing another one.
The good news is, if the ball bounces ISU's way and OSU somehow loses in their 3 pm game on Saturday, our guys will know about it before kickoff against UT. At that point (not knowing all the weird scenarios) they'd have to feel like their job is just to win and be in after two weeks.
I can confirm that, if OSU loses Saturday and ISU wins out, ISU is definitely in the CCG. The tiebreakers aren't very complicated in that scenario, and there's no place where there could be weird interpretations that might affect things.
Gonna be at BYU @ OSU next weekend with my in-laws. Kinda hope they lose to Houston so I don't have to secretly root for BYU haha
A 4 way tie is very clear too. It would go down to record against Kansas, so Iowa State is on the outside looking in. OSU and UT in that case.
If it's a 3 way tie with OU and OSU, OSU gets the top spot due to their win over Kansas then OU gets in due to Iowa State head to head.
A 3 way tie with OU and Texas, OU is top seed, then OSU based on head to head.
A three way tie with OSU, Texas and us is Obviously us as the top seed. Then ISU because they beat Oklahoma.
I think your last scenario is the best for ISU and the Big 12's future. **** OuT.
I am rethinking the 4 way tie with OSU, OU, Texas and ISU.
oSU and UT beat Kansas, so I assumed the 2 of them would get in, but you still have to break their tie. The tie breaker for the #1 seed would come down to winning % against OU and OSU. OSU wins that battle as the one seed.
Now you have a 3 way tie for the #2 seed. OU gets in due to beating both Texas and ISU.
oSU and UT beat Kansas, so I assumed the 2 of them would get in, but you still have to break their tie. The tie breaker for the #1 seed would come down to winning % against OU and OSU. OSU wins that battle as the one seed.
Now you have a 3 way tie for the #2 seed. OU gets in due to beating both Texas and ISU.