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When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 39 5.5%

  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 1.0%

  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 128 18.1%

  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 169 23.9%

  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 363 51.4%
  • Total voters
    706
Jeremy said:
Sorry, it was 125k they were losing per vehicle and are now down to 30k or so. Great progress and I hope it continues.

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Losses like that are highly misleading. Its all fixed cost, cost accounting crap. They could depreciate more and double their losses. They could depreciate less and reduce them. Cash flow from ops is the key to watch. Which i am sure thats negative too, before financing.

Just pointing out for thise that might not understand. They arent putting 130k of parts and labor into each vehicle and selling for 100k.

Apologies for minor rant, i just really hate cost accounting. Its skim milk pretending to be milk.
 
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dmclone said:
I've owned probably 25 cars in my lifetime and I can tell you that in my experience,this 100% incorrect. I went in with a checklist because I heard these types of statement from others. The fit/finish of my wife's Model Y is as good as any Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, etc. we've ever owned. Better than the Nissan(2), Mazda, Dodge, and VW's I've owned.

After 4 months the only thing I've noticed is that my after market floor mats are curling at the top. Not one rattle, no panel gap issues, etc. zero...nothing....nada. Some things like paint quality, I can't confirm or deny. I do feel like I've owned enough cars in my lifetime to get a pretty good feel for them on day one.

This may be the case when they first rolled out or maybe it's other models but what I'm hearing from actual owners, is that they are very solid. With that said, I'd probably wait a year before buying a Tesla redesign or new model but that'/s the case with a lot of manufactures.
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My wife's Weathertechs curl up at the "lip" my Huskys don't.
 
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dmclone said:
I've owned probably 25 cars in my lifetime and I can tell you that in my experience,this 100% incorrect. I went in with a checklist because I heard these types of statement from others. The fit/finish of my wife's Model Y is as good as any Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, etc. we've ever owned. Better than the Nissan(2), Mazda, Dodge, and VW's I've owned.

After 4 months the only thing I've noticed is that my after market floor mats are curling at the top. Not one rattle, no panel gap issues, etc. zero...nothing....nada. Some things like paint quality, I can't confirm or deny. I do feel like I've owned enough cars in my lifetime to get a pretty good feel for them on day one.

This may be the case when they first rolled out or maybe it's other models but what I'm hearing from actual owners, is that they are very solid. With that said, I'd probably wait a year before buying a Tesla redesign or new model but that'/s the case with a lot of manufactures.
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Does your Tesla have an issue with discoloration on the door trim?
We have a few Teslas in the parking lot at my work that I walk by most mornings. They all have weird discoloration the black door trim.
Almost looks like water spots or maybe damage from the sun.
 
DSMCy said:
Does your Tesla have an issue with discoloration on the door trim?
We have a few Teslas in the parking lot at my work that I walk by most mornings. They all have weird discoloration the black door trim.
Almost looks like water spots or maybe damage from the sun.
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No, but I hand wash my cars. It sounds like it's pretty common but also easy to remove/clean.
 
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CascadeClone said:
Losses like that are highly misleading. Its all fixed cost, cost accounting crap. They could depreciate more and double their losses. They could depreciate less and reduce them. Cash flow from ops is the key to watch. Which i am sure thats negative too, before financing.

Just pointing out for thise that might not understand. They arent putting 130k of parts and labor into each vehicle and selling for 100k.

Apologies for minor rant, i just really hate cost accounting. Its skim milk pretending to be milk.
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Very good post. I didn't mean to imply the bill of materials and labor was that much off from the selling of each vehicle. My comment should have been worded better to mean that as a company I hope the net of the books keeps improving so they aren't forced to sell out. It is very misleading to take the overall net revenue of the company and state it per vehicle but it does help put into perspective the trend.
 
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Cyclonepride said:
If you read the article I posted, California would have to build millions of charging stations (and they're behind on their much more moderate goals) by the time they require people to switch, and those stations would operate at a loss for the foreseeable future. And all that is dependent upon creation of a grid that could sustain that massive increase in load.
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Where is the power going to come from as well, are they just going to continue to buy power from other states or just throw deisel generators behind each charger.
 
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mramseyISU said:
Does it really though? A hybrid drivetrain doesn't really do anything for long drives, it's only really useful in town or stop/go driving. If you look up the EPA ratings on vehicles where you can get a hybrid or a regular ICE drivetrain the hybrid never has better highway fuel economy than the plain ICE one.
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CyCoug said:
Here is the final chapter of my EV rental journey that has kept you all riveted (I'm sure).

We left southwest FL this morning charged at 100%. Made it 120 miles to an ElectrifyAmerica charging station near the Fort Lauderdale airport with about 49% charge left, after having travelled 70-75 MPH the basically the whole trip.

I was intrigued to see how well the Level 3 chargers worked. We were a bit short on time, but I was willing to invest 20-30 minutes to try to get above 70% to avoid having to pay the $35 fee.

At the station, there were only 2 of 10 chargers open. I backed into one that was a bit tight, but close to the port. However, after 5 minutes of trying to get the reader to accept my account, nothing happened. I finally saw on the contactless card reader (not the main screen) a message that said "Network Error".

At that point, I was a bit frustrated and had to make the call about whether it was worth it to try the last open spot. We had less than two hours until our flight departure, so I made the decision just to head to the airport. I wasn't sure we'd get to 70% in 15 minutes or so.

But in a mixed blessing, when Thrifty checked in the car, they did not charge us the $35 fee. I have rarely if ever, heard of a rental car company not tacking on any and all fees possible, but they did not in this case. So all was well in the end.
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I don’t use pay to charge chargers a ton since I only have phev…but some that I have used have a difficult overly complex interface or worse yet require an app.

I can’t think of any reason in the long run that shouldn’t be equally easy or slightly easier than gas pump credit card readers. I mean the gas credit card reader is electric. I chalk any of that up to being a new/novel thing, we figured all this out for gas pumps 30 years ago.

There is one charger near my office that never works and I just realized it’s only for authorized government vehicles and the signage explaining it was somewhat hidden.
 
ExCyment said:
Where is the power going to come from as well, are they just going to continue to buy power from other states or just throw deisel generators behind each charger.
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Actually living real life in socal, not vicariously living in CA via scary social media posts and cable tv.

8 years ago. Frequent blackouts, 10-20% renewable grid.

Now…zero blackouts in five years over record heat summers, 30-50% renewable grid. Not the norm but some days renewable gets close to covering the whole enchilada.

Things are so so great in reality!

(the diesel generator behind chargers stories your cousin shares in fb are not real, you’re being manipulated)
 
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I had to change my vote. I think I'm ready to jump in the the ev realm. I've been looking at some used Model S 3-4 years old. I just need to sell my ice dd.
 
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Just in this past week, the comments about EV sales declining is just more proof at what the oil and gas industry is doing right now. That tied with 9% interest rates is really hurting. You'd hope the OEM's are smarter than this...
 
HFCS said:
Actually living real life in socal, not vicariously living in CA via scary social media posts and cable tv.

8 years ago. Frequent blackouts, 10-20% renewable grid.

Now…zero blackouts in five years over record heat summers, 30-50% renewable grid. Not the norm but some says renewable gets close to covering the whole enchilada.

Things are so so great in reality!
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CA had a few days earlier this year where power from renewables was enough to meet the state's needs. Still a long ways to go, but that's a pretty big milestone and proof that real progress can be made.
 
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exCyDing said:
CA had a few days earlier this year where power from renewables was enough to meet the state's needs. Still a long ways to go, but that's a pretty big milestone and proof that real progress can be made.
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It’s massive clear momentum, enough to laugh really hard at the chicken little types.
 
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RedlineSi said:
Just in this past week, the comments about EV sales declining is just more proof at what the oil and gas industry is doing right now. That tied with 9% interest rates is really hurting. You'd hope the OEM's are smarter than this...
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Well I think you add into this that the early adopters have already adopted. Now you're waiting on people like me that aren't in the market for a vehicle because of not needing a new car or don't want to spend the premium for one yet. I think sales will probably slump but the number of BEVs on the road isn't going down.
 
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mramseyISU said:
Well I think you add into this that the early adopters have already adopted. Now you're waiting on people like me that aren't in the market for a vehicle because of not needing a new car or don't want to spend the premium for one yet. I think sales will probably slump but the number of BEVs on the road isn't going down.
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For sure, you're correct.

And to be fair, I took my parents for a ride in it this week...they are no where ready to handle an EV right now. If you're doing longer trips, you 100% need to do some work before leaving.

in 5 years...that might not matter at all.
 
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Elon was on Joe Rogan today. About 18 minutes in, he does a good job of explaining why charging above 80% is not in your best interest.
 
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RedlineSi said:
Ugh...don't make me listen to that.

I currently charge daily to 70%
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He's not taking about daily limit. He's taking about length of time once you hit 80% . He made a really good analogy. Watch the first 20 minutes and turn it off. You'll also see Rogan shoot a compound bow into a cyberpunk.
 
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