Any donors step forward yet to fund a statue of Cooper with his arms flailing outside Kinninck to commemorate this monumental injustice?
F*CK IOWA
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Bingo! That is the whole deal, all in a single sentence.
Returners do it all the time, usually on short/low punts that roll and get downed by the kicking team.....that's why it rarely matters.
As long as we are getting rid of rules because they are rarely used we should probably get rid of the one point safety since I have only heard of it being scored a couple of times in my experience. Heck, let's get rid of the Defensive PAT since that happens extremely rarely probably only a handfull of times during an entire college football season. As long as we are at it let's get rid of the safety since far, far more games go in the books without a safety then those that include one.
This rule book is getting thinner and thinner as we speak...
This rule book is getting thinner and thinner as we speak...
That'd be pretty bad officiating though don't you think? I mean many have said here a wave isn't subjective so if you see it at all you blow play dead right? It's not like I think he stepped out of bounds or not type play it out type situation. Coincidentally he was part of the crew in last years game that called what should of been jack Campbell's interception back last year because they ruled the play dead. I think he thought replay was for out of bounds which is what KF said he was told by him. Perhaps the replay official always did want to review that aspect though
I don't think those are apples to apples. Those just rarely occur not rarely called. The qb push back years ago is a better example. Like the famous Bush push type play. That technically should of been a penalty. I wonder if people here think it should of been?
The play we have been discussing ad nauseum in this thread is rarely called because it rarely occurs. Very rarely does a player try to advance the ball after waving his teammates away from a bouncing ball. Similarly a Def PAT is rarely called because it rarely occurs.
I see it much more frequently than those examples though. That type of return I 100% agree. Usually it's 3-5 yards
I didn't watch the IA / MN game and honestly, I hadn't pulled up video of the play until now. It was enough to enjoy Iowa fans losing their minds, but reading thru the arguments in this thread piqued my curiosity. I just watched the ESPN video, which includes close-up of CD's motions beginning at about the 30 second mark:
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I understand the rule and agree it was properly applied by the officiating crew. Period - end of story.
Having said that, the agony of defeat would be difficult to accept. He's clearly telling his teammates to get away, as evidenced by the player who peels off - I don't see any attempt to deceive. Without going into minutiae, it simply doesn't strike me as a "fair catch" signal (I know, I know) and I don't see any Gophers pulling up - how #'s 37 & 24 missed him on the sideline is a mystery! He makes a clutch play and a great return in a deciding moment of the game. As much as I hate Hawk fans, and I live in Iowa City so my disdain is significant, I understand their angst.
I can both hate EIU and admire Cooper DeJean's prowess on the football field. My interpretation finds him guilty of overexuberance and an unfortunate hand gesture. It has to be a bitter pill for EIU fans to swallow and I find myself in the unusual position of having empathy for them. I don't like the feeling but it will soon pass.
Invalid fair catch wipes away Iowa TD in loss
During a 12-10 loss at home, officials wiped out Cooper DeJean's punt-return touchdown that would have given Iowa a late fourth-quarter lead against Minnesota because DeJean gave an invalid fair catch signal by waving his left arm.
I understand the rule and agree it was properly applied by the officiating crew. Period - end of story.
Having said that, the agony of defeat would be difficult to accept. He's clearly telling his teammates to get away, as evidenced by the player who peels off - I don't see any attempt to deceive. Without going into minutiae, it simply doesn't strike me as a "fair catch" signal (I know, I know) and I don't see any Gophers pulling up - how #'s 37 & 24 missed him on the sideline is a mystery! He makes a clutch play and a great return in a deciding moment of the game. As much as I hate Hawk fans, and I live in Iowa City so my disdain is significant, I understand their angst.
I can both hate EIU and admire Cooper DeJean's prowess on the football field. My interpretation finds him guilty of overexuberance and an unfortunate hand gesture. It has to be a bitter pill for EIU fans to swallow and I find myself in the unusual position of having empathy for them. I don't like the feeling but it will soon pass.
This is where I am at completely. Except I like Iowa. When not on offense anywayI didn't watch the IA / MN game and honestly, I hadn't pulled up video of the play until now. It was enough to enjoy Iowa fans losing their minds, but reading thru the arguments in this thread piqued my curiosity. I just watched the ESPN video, which includes close-up of CD's motions beginning at about the 30 second mark:
Invalid fair catch wipes away Iowa TD in loss
During a 12-10 loss at home, officials wiped out Cooper DeJean's punt-return touchdown that would have given Iowa a late fourth-quarter lead against Minnesota because DeJean gave an invalid fair catch signal by waving his left arm.
I understand the rule and agree it was properly applied by the officiating crew. Period - end of story.
Having said that, the agony of defeat would be difficult to accept. He's clearly telling his teammates to get away, as evidenced by the player who peels off - I don't see any attempt to deceive. Without going into minutiae, it simply doesn't strike me as a "fair catch" signal (I know, I know) and I don't see any Gophers pulling up - how #'s 37 & 24 missed him on the sideline is a mystery! He makes a clutch play and a great return in a deciding moment of the game. As much as I hate Hawk fans, and I live in Iowa City so my disdain is significant, I understand their angst.
I can both hate EIU and admire Cooper DeJean's prowess on the football field. My interpretation finds him guilty of overexuberance and an unfortunate hand gesture. It has to be a bitter pill for EIU fans to swallow and I find myself in the unusual position of having empathy for them. I don't like the feeling but it will soon pass.
Ok, let's have a look. That might be a fractured ulna.
2 things:I didn't watch the IA / MN game and honestly, I hadn't pulled up video of the play until now. It was enough to enjoy Iowa fans losing their minds, but reading thru the arguments in this thread piqued my curiosity. I just watched the ESPN video, which includes close-up of CD's motions beginning at about the 30 second mark:
Invalid fair catch wipes away Iowa TD in loss
During a 12-10 loss at home, officials wiped out Cooper DeJean's punt-return touchdown that would have given Iowa a late fourth-quarter lead against Minnesota because DeJean gave an invalid fair catch signal by waving his left arm.
I understand the rule and agree it was properly applied by the officiating crew. Period - end of story.
Having said that, the agony of defeat would be difficult to accept. He's clearly telling his teammates to get away, as evidenced by the player who peels off - I don't see any attempt to deceive. Without going into minutiae, it simply doesn't strike me as a "fair catch" signal (I know, I know) and I don't see any Gophers pulling up - how #'s 37 & 24 missed him on the sideline is a mystery! He makes a clutch play and a great return in a deciding moment of the game. As much as I hate Hawk fans, and I live in Iowa City so my disdain is significant, I understand their angst.
I can both hate EIU and admire Cooper DeJean's prowess on the football field. My interpretation finds him guilty of overexuberance and an unfortunate hand gesture. It has to be a bitter pill for EIU fans to swallow and I find myself in the unusual position of having empathy for them. I don't like the feeling but it will soon pass.
1. Holy crap, we are still discussing this arm waving debate?
2. After all the cheap ways that program has won the past 10 years with crap opponents and flukes that always bounce their way they deserve ZERO sympathy.
I mean, Manning used to yell "Omaha" In High school we called interceptions "Oskies". I think that is just the way football is, kind of like nicknames. They need something to call something and come up with a random word.
Its a funny quirk you are right, and very random. But it seems to be part of sports.
Cooper and Kirk, from now on to prove their point.
and notice all the squawk fans clapping behind!! LOL
Yes, that should had been a penalty as the rule at the time stated a runner could not be pushed from behind (or something to that effect). The difference is that play was not reviewable, so the officials on the field had to make the decision. And there was only 1 or two officials who had a view of the push to make the call. They decided not to make the penalty call. Video evidence clearly shows otherwise. Hence why many college football fans feel that play should had been penalized and why that play is still talked about today.
The difference with the Iowa play is the correct call was made.
How about a TD being called back because the runner took 2 high steps as he crossed the goal line? Because somehow it was taunting? Not just a penalty but took pts away.
When 90% of games you see much more ridiculous taunts as players score, and never get called.
HMM.
As full cans of beer and empty liquor bottles rain down on the opposing team.
No you dont, you see players waving, but not advancing the ball.
I hedge to guess most of the time when it happens it gets called. It just doesnt happen that often.
Players wave and never touch the ball, or they wave and call fair catch, 99% of the time.
And then I would say in the rare occasion a player waves, and try to advance it, it usually is called, at least more times than not.
saying otherwise is just guessing to try to prove your point with no real facts or data.
As far as I have seen there is only 1 real example of it not being called, and I didnt watch the game to see exactly how the play happened or how it was actually called.