I don't think that's an unreasonable belief. I also don't think it matters.
Had he stepped out of bounds or fumbled, I doubt those would have been deliberate either, but still would have counted against the return for a touchdown.
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Had he stepped out of bounds or fumbled, I doubt those would have been deliberate either, but still would have counted against the return for a touchdown.
I was just trying to dispute another poster that said Cooper did it on purpose to deceive the Gophers. I don't think that was his intent at all and as stated it doesn't matter in this instance if it broke rules the or not.
How many people knew about this rule before Saturday? Because I certainly did not and I watch a lot of football.
Saw him on a golf course Monday afternoon. Awkward arm movements for such an elite athlete.
How many games over the last 6-7 years has Iowa had far less than 200 yards of offense?
Seems like a lot.
In the last three years I would say a lot, not sure about the 3 or 4 years before that. It seems since 2021, the offense has been terrible and only getting worse. From 2017-2020, I would say the offense was average to below average for the most part with maybe a few games under 200 yards.
I was at this game in 2017. The Iowa corner back outgained his own offense in two plays.
Wisconsin 38-14 Iowa (Nov 11, 2017) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Wisconsin Badgers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAF game from November 11, 2017 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.
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Yep, that is one that stands out for sure. That was the week after Iowa put up 487 yards of offense against OSU. But that both of those kind of outputs weren't common for those teams from 2017-2020. Those offenses had a pulse and like I said were average to below average. It wasn't until 2021, when things completely went off the rails.I was at this game in 2017. The Iowa corner back outgained his own offense in two plays.
Wisconsin 38-14 Iowa (Nov 11, 2017) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Wisconsin Badgers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAF game from November 11, 2017 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.
I knew about it. Because I have seen it before, I have even seen it in an ISU game, I believe. Maybe Squawk fans should watch a few more games outside of their own.
But with that, it doesn't matter if it was deliberate or not.
No matter how rare it is, it is still the rule. Hok fans are trying any way to complain about this, instead of focusing on being the worst offense in CFB by far.
And finally, how many fans know every rule and all its intricacies? Not too many, that is the Refs job. not fans.
I have no idea. The replay official knew. Probably some others. But as far as a number, no idea.
Not knowing the rules has never really been a satisfactory excuse for breaking them though. Ignorance of the law and such.
I agree, but I can see why a lot of Iowa fans were mad about it because it isn't a call that most people know about at all. Heck, even Aaron Rodgers who knows way more football than the rest of us thought it was a terrible call and I bet he doesn't know about this rule either.
Doesn't matter if I knew or anyone else knew. As long as those guys wearing the stripes on the field did
I agree with that, just saying that is the cause for a lot of the outrage because most fans have never heard of such a rule or seen it enforced.
I don't care about the rule and care more about common sense. It was clear as day DeJean was waiving off any potential teammates with the motion, something that clearly bore out in replay video. If anything that rule should only be applied/become an issue if the guy makes the waive, gets blown up, and the coach (of the player that got hammered) ******* that team B didn't respect his "fair catch signal". "Sorry coach, he didn't waive his arms above his head".
We see the waive off every weekend, some in college but a LOT in the NFL. No player on the field (be it Iowa or Minnesota) reacted in a way that indicated ANYONE thought DeJean was signaling for a fair catch. Well, supposedly PJ Fleck did but the guy is a moronic ******* so his opinion really doesn't matter.
But like my cousin (Iowa grad) said after it happened "well, it sucks that THIS particular play was called back on a bad call, that's the position you put yourself in when you refuse to fire your worthless son". Simply put, Iowa didn't deserve to win the game and Ferentz only has himself (and his nepotism) to blame.
As long as he keeps his son on the sidelines he loses any right to ***** about any negative play/call occurring in an Iowa game. Not when it's his own stupidity that's 70% plus responsible for it being that close in the first place. Take care of what you can control first and only then can you worry about the other stuff. Reminiscent of Campbell and the special teams issues/debacles.
We see the waive off every weekend, some in college but a LOT in the NFL. No player on the field (be it Iowa or Minnesota) reacted in a way that indicated ANYONE thought DeJean was signaling for a fair catch. Well, supposedly PJ Fleck did but the guy is a moronic ******* so his opinion really doesn't matter.
But like my cousin (Iowa grad) said after it happened "well, it sucks that THIS particular play was called back on a bad call, that's the position you put yourself in when you refuse to fire your worthless son". Simply put, Iowa didn't deserve to win the game and Ferentz only has himself (and his nepotism) to blame.
As long as he keeps his son on the sidelines he loses any right to ***** about any negative play/call occurring in an Iowa game. Not when it's his own stupidity that's 70% plus responsible for it being that close in the first place. Take care of what you can control first and only then can you worry about the other stuff. Reminiscent of Campbell and the special teams issues/debacles.
Honestly, I might have believed it was unintentional until they started to do the "he just runs that way" thing so that their idiot fans would believe that it was just a question of how he ran. Now it seems more likely it was intentional to try to trick the other team.
I mean, this isn't true, you can see players starting to slow up because of it.
So, its still the rule.
And when said rule is pointed out to Hok fans, they still try to say it wasnt right, then when you point out that what they are saying still is wrong, they try something else.
At what point do Hok fans accept that it was the right call. It is like none of them can comprehend reality.
You can point out:
- The rule
- the examples to the rule
- that it by rule was reviewable in several ways
- examples of it being called
- that it could have been a penalty on iowa, not MN
- That their was no penalty by rule on MN even after the invalid fair catch
- that it was right and would be less fair on MN to not call it as written
- that most of the examples that hok fans try to show, are of a person waving and not advancing ball
- that the excuses about Cooper running that way are ridiculous and dont matter because waving is waving
- That their so called meeting is a joke, and they are embellishing what was really said
- you can send copies of the rules, the examples in the rules, video examples etc etc etc.
- and more
It sucked for Iowa, but they didnt get screwed, it was called correct, regardless of how rare, or that it may have been called wrong somewhere else. You can be mad about a call being wrong, you cant be mad when it is right even though it goes against your team.
And finally, the hok fans that quote things like the Pat Mcafee need to understand what they are doing, they are spinning up controversy to get clicks and likes. If you cant see that, you really need to get out of your bubble.
Nope, PJ Fleck thought it was a legal play because after it happened he had his bald head down with his hands on his knees dejected at what just occurred. I don't think anyone in that stadium saw any infraction on the play because most people don't know about that rule.
That's not what he said in his "presser". Acted like he knew what was going on the entire time after the fact. What a dunce.