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That's the motto around here, your reward for busting your ass is just getting more work to do. It's not in my DNA to not work hard but if you work in a corporate environment after enough years you come to the realization that unless you are a brown noser trying to work your way up the corporate ladder they will always try to get more for less where they can and you likely won't see the corresponding compensation increase to go with the additional work you are now doing. I'm a lot less willing to take on additional stuff or volunteer for overtime or projects than I used to be because once you give an inch they'll try to take a foot next. The more you voluntarily take on that was not part of your job requirements that then turn into part of your job and stretch you too then is not really fixing the likely staffing problem they have and just kicks that can down the road more until either you snap or something massively fails that forces them to finally address it.

I learned early on to avoid mission creep

Not that I'm lazy. Not that I don't excel and give it all a good run, but if I do something once it tends to fall on my desk again and again.

Was on a project where we were wildly understaffed. People were cracking from the blizzard of work and resulting complaints

I went in Saturday and Sunday to catch up. 20 hours unpaid so I could be out from under the weight.

Sure enough I had a full workload on Monday. "Load balancing". Told my boss that I'm done. You just got 70 hours out of me and I'm rewarded with more work.
 
I learned early on to avoid mission creep

Not that I'm lazy. Not that I don't excel and give it all a good run, but if I do something once it tends to fall on my desk again and again.

Was on a project where we were wildly understaffed. People were cracking from the blizzard of work and resulting complaints

I went in Saturday and Sunday to catch up. 20 hours unpaid so I could be out from under the weight.

Sure enough I had a full workload on Monday. "Load balancing". Told my boss that I'm done. You just got 70 hours out of me and I'm rewarded with more work.

I wish my wife would say no more often to her boss when they try to add more things to her plate at work. She's in the same boat, willingly takes on too many things then works herself to death and gets tired and stressed out. Can be so bad at times that she's afraid to take PTO because she'll get too far behind if she does then even when she does take PTO still finds a couple hours to login on her day off to get stuff done and doesn't claw back that time off. I tell her all the time the company won't fold if she takes a day off and by working any ammount of time on a day off you are basically giving them free hours. She likes to point out to me when I take a day off someone else can do the work I do but when she's out most of her stuff just sits idle and is waiting for her when she gets back because she's the only one that does that work. Seems like a staffing issue to me if 1 person is counted on to do that and someone else can't cover while she is out. I realize she's valued by her management and she gets paid well but I put my 40 hours in and I am done for the week as my personal time is too valuable to let any employer take anything more than they already do away from me.
 
I wish my wife would say no more often to her boss when they try to add more things to her plate at work. She's in the same boat, willingly takes on too many things then works herself to death and gets tired and stressed out. Can be so bad at times that she's afraid to take PTO because she'll get too far behind if she does then even when she does take PTO still finds a couple hours to login on her day off to get stuff done and doesn't claw back that time off. I tell her all the time the company won't fold if she takes a day off and by working any ammount of time on a day off you are basically giving them free hours. She likes to point out to me when I take a day off someone else can do the work I do but when she's out most of her stuff just sits idle and is waiting for her when she gets back because she's the only one that does that work. Seems like a staffing issue to me if 1 person is counted on to do that and someone else can't cover while she is out. I realize she's valued by her management and she gets paid well but I put my 40 hours in and I am done for the week as my personal time is too valuable to let any employer take anything more than they already do away from me.

Management needs to step up and not force her to be in that position.

If they value her then they need to do their damn job and manage the process.
 
Management needs to step up and not force her to be in that position.

If they value her then they need to do their damn job and manage the process.

I completely agree but like many here have been discussing it's part of the corporate environment when someone performs at a high level and keep taking on stuff they take them for granted and will keep pushing them until they break. Believe me we've had discussions about this but it's her job and not mine so while I can give her my opinions on the matter its on her to decide if she wants to act on anything and change the situation she is in.
 
I completely agree but like many here have been discussing it's part of the corporate environment when someone performs at a high level and keep taking on stuff they take them for granted and will keep pushing them until they break. Believe me we've had discussions about this but it's her job and not mine so while I can give her my opinions on the matter its on her to decide if she wants to act on anything and change the situation she is in.

She's describing poor management. They love her because they don't have to think.

But this is horrible dependence on a singular person. It's ultimately bad for management in the end.

It's her world, but she is feeling the stress and not enjoying time away because of those people.

That is a toxic relationship. If she brings it home then it impacts everyone around her too.
 
I don't know if it's an age thing, a new boss thing, health issues, new co-workers, etc. but my level of busting my ass for corporate has plummeted. When I'm on-call I'll still work some insane hours if there is an emergency, but nothing like the old days. In the last 5 years, I've went from the youngest in the department to the oldest. A lot of my new co-workers, who are in their mid 20's do not give a ****, which makes me not give a ****. 15 years ago, it was an embarrassment to be known as the slacker. Now it's guys with a year with the company taking 8 weeks maternity leave, "my day is wrapping up in 10 minutes so can we finish up this meeting", "I'm not comfortable working around other people", etc. Corporate has also started to move jobs overseas. You can have years that you feel like you killed it and you get no acknowledgment or raise. Other years you work 1/2 as hard and everyone praises you. Everyone is so worried about themselves, it really doesn't matter. Just counting down the years until I can exit and I will give zero *****.
 
I don't know if it's an age thing, a new boss thing, health issues, new co-workers, etc. but my level of busting my ass for corporate has plummeted. When I'm on-call I'll still work some insane hours if there is an emergency, but nothing like the old days. In the last 5 years, I've went from the youngest in the department to the oldest. A lot of my new co-workers, who are in their mid 20's do not give a ****, which makes me not give a ****. 15 years ago, it was an embarrassment to be known as the slacker. Now it's guys with a year with the company taking 8 weeks maternity leave, "my day is wrapping up in 10 minutes so can we finish up this meeting", "I'm not comfortable working around other people", etc. Corporate has also started to move jobs overseas. You can have years that you feel like you killed it and you get no acknowledgment or raise. Other years you work 1/2 as hard and everyone praises you. Everyone is so worried about themselves, it really doesn't matter. Just counting down the years until I can exit and I will give zero *****.
someone taking 8 weeks maternity leave is a bad thing? if the company allows them to more power to them, imo
 
someone taking 8 weeks maternity leave is a bad thing? if the company allows them to more power to them, imo
Yea my company is 20 weeks for the mother and 12 weeks for the father. Plus 12 weeks each parent for adoption or surrogate. You bet your sweet ass I am taking the full volume if I had a kid.

The only weird thing that was controversial internally was parents getting an extra week off in 2020 because of COVID because of kids situations. Eventually they relented and gave everyone an extra week that year.
 
someone taking 8 weeks maternity leave is a bad thing? if the company allows them to more power to them, imo
Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying that I'm not busting my ass to cover for some guy on maternity leave. He probably felt the same way about me when I took off 8 weeks for cancer treatment.
 
Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying that I'm not busting my ass to cover for some guy on maternity leave. He probably felt the same way about me when I took off 8 weeks for cancer treatment.
sounds like you have shítty co-workers
 
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Yea my company is 20 weeks for the mother and 12 weeks for the father. Plus 12 weeks each parent for adoption or surrogate. You bet your sweet ass I am taking the full volume if I had a kid.

The only weird thing that was controversial internally was parents getting an extra week off in 2020 because of COVID because of kids situations. Eventually they relented and gave everyone an extra week that year.

I got eight weeks because I had a c-section. It would have been six weeks otherwise. I used three weeks of PTO to extend my time. It really wasn't enough. Parental leave in this country sucks.
 
I got eight weeks because I had a c-section. It would have been six weeks otherwise. I used three weeks of PTO to extend my time. It really wasn't enough. Parental leave in this country sucks.
Well you were the person having the baby so......yeah, that's short.
 
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I got eight weeks because I had a c-section. It would have been six weeks otherwise. I used three weeks of PTO to extend my time. It really wasn't enough. Parental leave in this country sucks.
I've been working within a country that gives 12 days total for both parents COMBINED. So the father took 2 days and the mother took her 10 days and the grandmother helped out.
 
sounds like you have shítty co-workers
No, they're fine. Most of them we're hired straight out of college, have never worked anywhere else, have been able to work from home from day one, make great money, etc. The have zero clue how fortunate they are to have this type of job. At some point in their career reality will hit them.
 
Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying that I'm not busting my ass to cover for some guy on maternity leave. He probably felt the same way about me when I took off 8 weeks for cancer treatment.

Both of those are management problems. And on parental leave - it's part of why other countries handle it so much better. When you know someone will be out a year, much easier to plan for hiring a temp/permanent employee and figuring out how to shift responsiblities. 2-8 weeks? We'll just dump everything on coworkers so they almost but don't quite lose their **** and are then resentful AF when the new parent returns.
 
I've been working within a country that gives 12 days total for both parents COMBINED. So the father took 2 days and the mother took her 10 days and the grandmother helped out.

What country is this?!?!? Papua New Guinea or the Marshall Islands? Paid or unpaid days?

For reference, the US as a country provides NO paid leave. Individual states do and just under half of the laborforce is eligible for job protection.
 
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She's describing poor management. They love her because they don't have to think.

But this is horrible dependence on a singular person. It's ultimately bad for management in the end.

It's her world, but she is feeling the stress and not enjoying time away because of those people.

That is a toxic relationship. If she brings it home then it impacts everyone around her too.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all on this. I've had some of these very same conversations with her. To her credit she's stopped logging into work at night as it was getting really bad and frustrating to me to have her work consume the few hours of downtime we get once the kids are in bed. I will make some exceptions once in awhile if she has a deadline to meet but yes I'm hoping she finds a way to get some of the stuff she's involved in off her plate and I think she wants that too but it's not something that can be done with a flip of a switch. She's been a manager twice in her career and swears she will never do that again as that role was probably the most time consuming and stressful times she's had for a job role.

I'm fortunate that my manager is not the type that is a slave driver and basically has told us get your 40 hours in and not feel like you have to log OT just to reduce our work load. That was really refreshing earlier this year when they laid of 2 more on my team after laying off 2 just 4 months prior to that so our workload essentially tripled as we lost about 40% of our team in less than a half year time. We were basically told do what you can get done in a normal day and if the work piles up and people complain we are not getting their requests done in a timely manner our management team will deal with the fall out as the decision to let these people go came from several management levels above us and they need to see the fall out of their decisions. If we don't let things fail by trying to work more hours to keep up they will just let more of us go thinking we are still have too much staff. Funny thing is for our group they laid off 4 but then had to eventually bring in 3 contractors to help us keep up. Probably cost them less to hire contractors but hopefully open some eyes that they jumped the gun on cutting some of the staff they did.
 

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