WVU Appears to be in Trouble

Living in WV, I believe the problem runs much deeper. The average income here is deplorable. The work ethic for the younger generation is deplorable. The drug problem for the younger people is ... you guessed it: deplorable. I was just commenting this morning to my wife. For the past 40 years, I haven't seen any high schoolers working at local restaurants as both her and I did. Or anywhere for that matter. What am I missing. What changed? Local communities such as mine are feverishly trying to figure it out in an era of increasing budget cuts. I've been a free market type of person my whole life, but even I can see where it's now failing the necessary educational needs. Here, at least. Maybe not so much elsewhere. I'm going to stay glued to this thread as I'm hoping others throughout the country have faced similar woes, but have figured it out. Please voice your solution.

Its all young peoples fault. **** off.
 
States SHOULD NOT fund for higher education when children are hungry and undereducated in preK-12...

Want your state's children to be successful as adults.. Keep their belly full and provide them with awesome pre-K thru 12 education. Then and ONLY then would I consider funding higher education.
Why can we not do both? Oh ya, we have to keep cutting taxes.
 
My son a Freshman at ISU is in CALS, College of Agriculture and Life Sciences as a Animal Ecology Major. With his AP Credits and Dual DMACC classes he had like 27 credits and already has worked with his Counselor to figure out a 3 year plan to graduate, now there is a good chance he goes to Grad School, but could knock off a year of Tuition.....now he has to do 400 hours of Paid or Volunteer Work Study to graduate and that requirement does not get smaller by graduating early. So between classes, Studies, Marching Band, Concert Band and now Adding Women's Pep Band(so taking advantage of the college experience) working any real hours in a job during the school year is hard. Not sure the answers but College is expensive, classes are hard, fun too be had and life lessons to be had.
 
My son a Freshman at ISU is in CALS, College of Agriculture and Life Sciences as a Animal Ecology Major. With his AP Credits and Dual DMACC classes he had like 27 credits and already has worked with his Counselor to figure out a 3 year plan to graduate, now there is a good chance he goes to Grad School, but could knock off a year of Tuition.....now he has to do 400 hours of Paid or Volunteer Work Study to graduate and that requirement does not get smaller by graduating early. So between classes, Studies, Marching Band, Concert Band and now Adding Women's Pep Band(so taking advantage of the college experience) working any real hours in a job during the school year is hard. Not sure the answers but College is expensive, classes are hard, fun too be had and life lessons to be had.

I'm confused when did 400 hours of community service become a requirement to graduate?
 
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I just can't get over these people that are like, I have 200k debt and I am a marketing major and can't get a job or am only making 60k out of school. My point is even with how much things are out of control money wise (and I do realize that), we have to find ways to adopt. My above solution should work for a lot of people. and if a family is living below the poverty line then there are other ways to knock money off of school.

and it goes back to what I said earlier about the car loans.
People get pissed about having 50K in student loan debt, while they had a 4 year life experience and learned for their career, etc, but don't say a word about spending 52K on a Chevy Traverse that doesn't bring you much value and needs to be paid off in 5-7 years.

The problem with these arguments is that you're pulling data out of your ass to support a false idea of what the average college grad leaves school with. The average loan debt load that students leave with today is around 25-30k. Still obscene compared to what their earning potential is as fresh college grads, but it's certainly not 200k. Granted there are stories of people graduating with extreme debt like this, but they should not be used as an example representing an entire demographic.

As for 50k cars... again. Is this the average experience or just anecdotal evidence to support your generalization of recent college grads? The people I know who buy 50k+ cars can all afford it because their college was either already paid for, or they got lucky and struck gold shortly after graduation. Money was never a concern for them. The ones who don't have expensive cars are still paying out the nose for their student loans.
 
This is were the principal of the free market falls apart for me. The demand for health care, education, and social services professionals seems to be consistently growing. That should mean that the compensation for people in these field should be growing in kind, but that isn't the reality. These are professions that are overworked and underpaid, and jobs with some of the highest burnout rates in the economy. The free market is failing at providing services that are in-demand, and that is where the public sector needs to step in.
It's almost as if the public unions that represent those professions are distorting the incentives which makes it less attractive for young people to join, the state should indeed pay these folks more, but if they can't fire the bad ones or they have to pay based on seniority rather than merit there is a fundamental misalignment of interests in hiring/retaining talent.
 
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E. Gordon Gee, President - $800,900
Rob Alsop, VP for Strategic Initiatives - $426,000
Paula Congelio, VP and CFO - $431,000
Cris DeBord, VP for Talent & Culture - $344,800
Jennifer Fisher, Executive Officer - $171,900
David Fryson, Senior Advisor for Diversity Community Outreach - $384,500
Paul Kreider, VP for Academic Strategies, Curriculum & Assessment - $353,300
Sharon Martin, VP for University Relations & Enrollment Management - $408,500
Meshea Poore, VP for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion - $234,500
Maryanne Reed, Provost & VP Academic Affairs - $435,500
Cindi Roth, President and CEO WVU Foundation - $533,800
Robin Yorty, Exec Director of University Events - $141,300

This is just from some quick, cursory research, I'm sure there are more out there, but I think this makes the point.
All of them should be paid nowhere near that much, and several shouldn't be employed at all
 
Scary to think about a model like West Virginia's coming to ISU.

I'd like more state funding to support our existing programs and provide for the arts, humanities, social sciences, etc. to exist at levels they did previously which could easily solve our budget woes and the risk of cutting programs that are important to the development of a full human being and a just society, like foreign language, humanities, etc. but in the absence of the political will to do this in Iowa and return to more state funding percentage-wise of higher ed, given the political right's constant cutting of support of public education in the State of Iowa from the K-12 to higher education, isn't it time some of these institutions start thinking about siphoning off some money from their endowments? Isn't this a suitable time to do this when facing cuts and dire straights for some departments? Same for a school like West Virginia.

I'm not well-versed in our endowment or how it works, but last I heard at an ISU Foundation fundraiser event we had something like $1.3 billion in ISU's endowment and the campaign is trying to get it to $2 billion if I recall correctly. If the money in here is not restricted (I recognize that is a big "IF" but I don't know the specifics), then shouldn't we start invading the principal a bit or at least use take some of the income each year to fund ISU generally and support these programs we're talking about cutting? Same with a school like West Virginia. If we're just taking income, wouldn't that be somewhere between $50 million and $100 million each year in funding toward programs that need it. Maybe that's overly simple, but I don't understand right now how all these schools are having problems, yet nobody (far as I can tell) is talking about invading these massive war chest endowments. Maybe they are and we just don't hear about it...

Anyway, would like to see more of these social science type programs that aren't making money stay around in healthy shape as they contribute to our society and our state in so many ways.
No, invading the principal is the start of a vicious cycle that results in the death of the endowment!



We should do something similar to what U of I did with their power plant (although structured better), which nearly doubled their endowment and got them a shiny new piece of infrastructure, and they only have to pay ca. 3% per annum for the 30 years of the PPP agreement (notably this is not debt) - the endowment will return ca. 4-8% net per annum, so not only does the U of I nearly double the endowment and get a new piece of infra (free and clear after 30y as well), but they are also making a profit on the payments.




Source: these kind of investments are literally my job (although I do not work at Meridiam or Engie who did the U of I's deal)
 
We have a high schooler and I’m struggling with this right now. Do we encourage him to stay at home and get the gen Ed’s done locally, or do we send him away and experience the full college experience? I know the friends and experiences I had in the dorms those first two years are something that I wouldn’t trade for anything. So is the money saved worth missing out on those opportunities?
As someone who transfered from DMACC to ISU I can say it was definitely the right thing for me. I would not have been ready for ISU right out of high school because I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my life. I'm almost positive I would have flunked out my first year because I wouldn't have had the motivation I needed. Eventually when I got to ISU I was excited and motivated and did really well at ISU because I was a little more mature and took school seriously.
 
Don't you dare disrespect small town Iowa while Al is still alive and kicking. Elma, Iowa is a thriving metropolis.
 
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Yes. Drastically. Maybe the absolute worst part of Iowa would appear like an average WV community. Across the board, it's not even close.

This board is absolutely ridiculous sometimes.

Iowa and central Illinois have places in the same boat. Tell me how the river towns in SE Iowa are all that far removed from this?

Maybe not quite as bad yet, but in the team picture.

A quick check shows Burlington with a high school sitting at a 1 or 2 for quality. They are one manufacturing plant away from dying. The crime is worse per capita than Compton

Ft Madison. Keokuk. Southern Iowa.
 
Just watch the first 10 - what a gorgeous area. Coal really ****** them good though.
I think WV is kind of primed for a renaissance in our lifetime.

It's incredibly beautiful, and surrounded on all sides by highly populated places with expensive real estate. Things are dirt cheap in WV, and I think it's just a matter of time before people from DC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc start buying that up and it pivots to a tourism based economy.

Towns like Davis are already seeing this a little.
 

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