Cooper DeJean practicing punt returns this week...
F*CK IOWA
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Reminds me of that time in the 4th quarter when Coach wouldn't put Uncle Rico in, and it ruined his chances of going pro.
Not that it matters, but right at the end there he changes his motion and does wave his hand above the shoulder and in the opposite direction for the last part.
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Plenty of Iowa fans are still whining about “they said they were only reviewing whether he went out of bounds” and “you can’t pick out every little thing you might see in a replay, that’s not fair!”
First, yes, the play should have been blown dead. It wasn’t. The rule book is clear, any arm waving by the return man means he cannot return the kick. On review, they got it right. Isn’t that what review is for?
Second, who said the review was “only checking for out of bounds”? Best I can tell, that was just Ferentz, which could mean just wishful thinking on his part, or an inaccurate explanation from whichever side judge told him that.
Third, look at it this way. There’s a TD run down the sideline. Replay stops the game to check if the runner stepped out of bounds. In the course of that review, they see the runner’s knee was actually down by contact before he got close to the sideline. Are they supposed to ignore that and only rule on the out of bounds? No, they’re going to spot the ball where the runner was down. This is just like that - IF, as the Iowa contingent claims, the review was based on the out of bounds issue (apparently at least one of the officials saw the arm waving as it happened and wanted to take another look at that - even though, yes, they should have whistled the ball dead as soon as DeJean picked it up).
First, yes, the play should have been blown dead. It wasn’t. The rule book is clear, any arm waving by the return man means he cannot return the kick. On review, they got it right. Isn’t that what review is for?
Second, who said the review was “only checking for out of bounds”? Best I can tell, that was just Ferentz, which could mean just wishful thinking on his part, or an inaccurate explanation from whichever side judge told him that.
Third, look at it this way. There’s a TD run down the sideline. Replay stops the game to check if the runner stepped out of bounds. In the course of that review, they see the runner’s knee was actually down by contact before he got close to the sideline. Are they supposed to ignore that and only rule on the out of bounds? No, they’re going to spot the ball where the runner was down. This is just like that - IF, as the Iowa contingent claims, the review was based on the out of bounds issue (apparently at least one of the officials saw the arm waving as it happened and wanted to take another look at that - even though, yes, they should have whistled the ball dead as soon as DeJean picked it up).
My favorite part of this whole discussion is this; Iowa fans saying the rule is too vague and under it, a player could be called for an invalid catch by just running normally. I'll concede that maybe the rule is too vague and gives too much room for referee interpretation. But I'm not sure there is any world where a clarified rule wouldn't include what Dejean did (maybe if the rule specified that any signal has to go over the shoulder, but even then he was at least close).
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This whole CDJ fair catch saga has made me put a new spin on one of my favorite jokes to tell at parties:
Tory Taylor, Erick All and Cooper DeJean were walking through a wooded area near Iowa City one day when they find a lamp.
Tory picks it up, rubs it, and out pops a Genie.
It booms "You have finally freed me after all these years, so I'll grant each one of you 3 wishes."
Tory immediately blurts out "I want a billion dollars." POOF, he's holding a printout that shows his account balance is now in fact 1,000,000,003.50
Erick thinks for a bit, then says "I want to be the richest man alive." POOF, he's holding papers showing his net worth is now well over 100 billion.
Cooper thinks even longer about his wish, then says "I want my left arm to rotate clockwise for the rest of my life." POOF, his arm starts rotating.
The Genie tells them it's time for their second wish.
Tory says: "I want to be married to the most beautiful woman on earth." POOF, a stunning beauty wraps herself around his arm.
Erick says "I want to be good-looking and charismatic, so I can have every girl I want." POOF, his looks change and Tory's wife immediately starts flirting with him.
Cooper says "I want my right arm to rotate counter-clockwise until I die." POOF, now both his arms are rotating, in opposite directions.
The genie tells them to think very carefully about their third wish.
Tory does, and after a while says "I never want to become sick or injured, I want to stay healthy until I die." POOF, his complexion improves, his acne is gone and his knees don't bother him any more.
Erick says "I never want to grow old. I want to stay 23 forever." POOF, he looks younger already.
Cooper smiles triumphantly and says "My last wish is for my head to nod back and forth." POOF, he's now nodding his head and still flailing his arms around.
The genie wishes them good luck, disappears, and the men soon go their separate ways.
Many years later they meet again and chat about how things have been going.
Tory is ecstatic: "I've invested the money and multiplied it many times over, so me and my family will be among the richest of the rich pretty much forever. My wife is a freak in the sheets, and I've never gotten so much as a cold in all these years."
Erick smiles and says "Well, I built charities worldwide with a fraction of my wealth, I'm still the richest guy alive and also revered for my good deeds. I haven't aged a day since we last met, and yes, your wife is pretty wild in bed."
Cooper walks in, looking completely disheveled and exhausted. Red eyes, filthy clothes, and flailing his arms around and nodding his head.
Slowly he says:
"Guys, I think I ****ed up."
Tory Taylor, Erick All and Cooper DeJean were walking through a wooded area near Iowa City one day when they find a lamp.
Tory picks it up, rubs it, and out pops a Genie.
It booms "You have finally freed me after all these years, so I'll grant each one of you 3 wishes."
Tory immediately blurts out "I want a billion dollars." POOF, he's holding a printout that shows his account balance is now in fact 1,000,000,003.50
Erick thinks for a bit, then says "I want to be the richest man alive." POOF, he's holding papers showing his net worth is now well over 100 billion.
Cooper thinks even longer about his wish, then says "I want my left arm to rotate clockwise for the rest of my life." POOF, his arm starts rotating.
The Genie tells them it's time for their second wish.
Tory says: "I want to be married to the most beautiful woman on earth." POOF, a stunning beauty wraps herself around his arm.
Erick says "I want to be good-looking and charismatic, so I can have every girl I want." POOF, his looks change and Tory's wife immediately starts flirting with him.
Cooper says "I want my right arm to rotate counter-clockwise until I die." POOF, now both his arms are rotating, in opposite directions.
The genie tells them to think very carefully about their third wish.
Tory does, and after a while says "I never want to become sick or injured, I want to stay healthy until I die." POOF, his complexion improves, his acne is gone and his knees don't bother him any more.
Erick says "I never want to grow old. I want to stay 23 forever." POOF, he looks younger already.
Cooper smiles triumphantly and says "My last wish is for my head to nod back and forth." POOF, he's now nodding his head and still flailing his arms around.
The genie wishes them good luck, disappears, and the men soon go their separate ways.
Many years later they meet again and chat about how things have been going.
Tory is ecstatic: "I've invested the money and multiplied it many times over, so me and my family will be among the richest of the rich pretty much forever. My wife is a freak in the sheets, and I've never gotten so much as a cold in all these years."
Erick smiles and says "Well, I built charities worldwide with a fraction of my wealth, I'm still the richest guy alive and also revered for my good deeds. I haven't aged a day since we last met, and yes, your wife is pretty wild in bed."
Cooper walks in, looking completely disheveled and exhausted. Red eyes, filthy clothes, and flailing his arms around and nodding his head.
Slowly he says:
"Guys, I think I ****ed up."
What's vague about the rule? If the returner makes any kind of waiving signal, it's a dead ball at the spot the ball is fielded.
The rule is in place specifically to prevent a returner from giving an ambiguous signal that gives them an advantage over the coverage team that can't be sure if a fair catch was called or not.
Which is exactly what happened on Saturday.
Eickholt - "he wasn't waving, he was pointing at the football!"
I guess David Eickholt didn't realize that DeJean has two arms. Did you see what his left arm was doing, David?
Serious "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" vibes going on by the entire SUI press corps.
100% focused on the punt return (which, "THE DAY AFTER", is still the correct call) and 0% focused on how the offense couldn't be trusted to gain 20 yards in order to try a game-winning FG.
100% focused on the punt return (which, "THE DAY AFTER", is still the correct call) and 0% focused on how the offense couldn't be trusted to gain 20 yards in order to try a game-winning FG.
The rule is just vague as to what a waving signal is. "Any waving signal" leaves quite a bit of room for interpretation. Not in Dejean's case, because he clearly was waving to the point that it wasn't that far off from being a valid signal. But if referees focus in on the rule, I could see a lot of possible gray area when a returner is both trying to field a punt and pay attention to his blockers and the opponents' gunners and sometimes does point or make a motion before the catch that is kind of a wave, but not really. For instance, I saw a fan on Reddit arguing that the returner on this play should have been called for an invalid signal for the motions he had with his arms before he caught the punt. Not to mention the fans who seem to think that any returner moving his arms while running could be called for an invalid signal.
I guess rules probably shouldn't be changed just to stop fans from making stupid arguments. But in this case, it would help.
gaining two yards of offense in the second half in a loss and the media is only talking about a fair caught punt. That is next level.
A little more context to just throw a metric f*** ton of gas on this. I caught wind of this very same situation happening to Wisconsin in a 2015 Wisconsin/NW game and @CyPunch posted a link showing it happening, almost verbatim to what happened Saturday.
Here is a link to an NW article written a few days later with all sorts of comments about it being the correct call, including from the Wisconsin coach and returner that made the illegal signal. Eat s*** EIU fans...
www.insidenu.com
Here is a link to an NW article written a few days later with all sorts of comments about it being the correct call, including from the Wisconsin coach and returner that made the illegal signal. Eat s*** EIU fans...
Refs got it right in Northwestern-Wisconsin
According to the NCAA's murky rules, the officials were spot-on with their replay reversals on Saturday.
www.insidenu.com
I think the biggest headline that's getting buried is Iowa fan's hope for 2024 is already lost because they know the backup QB sucks as well.
Capt Kirk referenced this same “man behind the curtain” whine in his postgame presser so they’re just following the piper’s lead.
Hassel can be a little insufferable sometimes, but he can also throw out some funny things, like this...
Locked on Hawkeyes had Condon tell his audience the call was irrelevant and that BF needs to be fired, blah blah blah and then spends 20 minutes telling us that these were the same refs that did this and that and “I am not suggesting anything“ but “It’s sure fishy” and maybe “They need to investigate whether these refs had anything to do with the gambling investigation. I am not suggesting anything, but maybe they need to check it out.” That was awesome.
Wow, @ChrisMWilliams and Hassel are really pandering to the Iowa cryboys, on Iowa Everywhere.
"its never called" LOL literally called all the time.
The rule is the rule, what would Minnesota say if they didnt call it. The rule was called correct. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NOT CALL IT LIKE THE RULE SAYS, TO MINNESOTA.
Sorry but this has got to stop, seriously, we have seen it called before, we know it was the right call.
God this is stupid. Nothing questionable, it only seems like it never is called because the returner rarely tries to advance a ball after waving players off.
It literally has happened in an ISU game in the last few years. There are many examples being shown around. Get over it.
"its never called" LOL literally called all the time.
The rule is the rule, what would Minnesota say if they didnt call it. The rule was called correct. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NOT CALL IT LIKE THE RULE SAYS, TO MINNESOTA.
Sorry but this has got to stop, seriously, we have seen it called before, we know it was the right call.
God this is stupid. Nothing questionable, it only seems like it never is called because the returner rarely tries to advance a ball after waving players off.
It literally has happened in an ISU game in the last few years. There are many examples being shown around. Get over it.