Is he waving his hand above his head if so then it's a dead ball, if he is not above his head, it's a live ball. There is no confusion, that is what I want to take away.
F*CK IOWA
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Above the head or the eye? Ears? Shoulders?
See the problem here?
Any wave= dead ball. Way less semantics and confusion.
With all due respect, the only one that seems confused about the current rule is you and about 95% of Iowa fans. Also, how many punt returns have you ever seen where the returner waves off his team, then returns it anyways?
You do not have to review it, because the near official is going to blow the play dead the moment the ball is caught or if its bounces when it is controlled by the kicking team. No whistle it's a live play.
A rule like this makes it easier for the officials, his job is to look at the returner and see if he is signally for a fair catch, once he sees the hand above the head, he is blowing his whistle on the catch.
The rule is fine the way it is.
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Just a point of order, it's already a dead ball after it is kicked. A punt is not a live ball until it's touched by the receiving team. That's why there are special rules, like the one in question in the Iowa game. A player can't be deceptive with their intentions on whether or not they're going to fair catch it. I don't know if that changes your argument or not, but it's a dead ball right up until it's touched by the receiving team.
Whatever, its rules just like this that cause confusion for everyone, how many people knew this rule before Saturday? I would guess few if any, I am trying to fix the rule to make sure it never happens again. I could care less about EIU. That is why we have the rules and make sure they are simple as can be.
It’s obvious that KF and Cooper knew it was the correct call by the time they went to the presser after the game…. it’s why neither one said he was waving teammates off at the presser…. instead they said that’s just how Cooper runs and tries to stay balanced.
They knew at that point that they couldn’t go out there and say he was waving in any way, shape or form…. or they knew they’d be admitting that he screwed up according to the rules.
It’s a joke. Just admit it and be honorable like Wisky did in 2015 when they got nailed by the exact same call.
And even worse…. the Iowa media won’t even admit it either. And then people wonder why they have some of the worst fans in the country.
They knew at that point that they couldn’t go out there and say he was waving in any way, shape or form…. or they knew they’d be admitting that he screwed up according to the rules.
It’s a joke. Just admit it and be honorable like Wisky did in 2015 when they got nailed by the exact same call.
And even worse…. the Iowa media won’t even admit it either. And then people wonder why they have some of the worst fans in the country.
You are the only one that seems to be confused. Not everyone.
How close does the ref have to get to make sure it's above the head since often it's a last 1/2 second decision?
If you had true intentions of "fixing" the rule that is not broken, you think any of us on this message board have pull? Been years since the NCAA head of officiating has been in my contacts list. Feels like were arguing just to argue, which explains you dumbing all the posts that disagree with you. Trust me, I get bored too.
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Go draw BF some new plays that can get them more than 4 yards of offense in the second half. You've mentioned your coaching experience before
Correct but the current rule allows the deception to exist and makes it a judgement call. If everyone on the punting team going down the field knows the ball can be returned unless the hand is above his head, it eliminates any and all deceptions. That should be the goal of the rule change, you want protection, hold up your hand, otherwise its a free ball.
You understand the rule is so it is very clear for the defense whether or not it is a fair catch. Can a ref who is only focused on the returner tell if a hand is being waved above or below his head? Sure. Can someone on punt coverage running down the field as fast as they can while trying to shed blockers tell if a hand is being waved above the head or not? No. The rule is written to protect the returner from getting lit up because a guy on coverage is trying to make a snap judgement on whether or not a hand is being waved above or below the head.
None of us have contacts, this is a message board, where we are free to express our opinion, just because you disagree with an opinion does not make your more valid and you have to attack the person saying it.If you had true intentions of "fixing" the rule that is not broken, you think any of us on this message board have pull? Been years since the NCAA head of officiating has been in my contacts list. Feels like were arguing just to argue, which explains you dumbing all the posts that disagree with you. Trust me, I get bored too.
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Go draw BF some new plays that can get them more than 4 yards of offense in the second half. You've mentioned your coaching experience before
How about you step out on the sidelines a few years, and come back and tell us all how to do it, instead of sitting there on your computer trying to be an expert on everything?
Again, this wasn't a bad spot or a judgement PI call or something. Clear rule with proper application. Why is this even still a thing? It's a bummer for Iowa fans for sure and I understand that but that's where the discussion should end. It's not a "controversial call".
Those people have to make that determination now as they run down the field, if they hit the returner or do not give his room to catch the punt it's a penalty.
