Has anyone purchased a new vehicle lately, the prices are off the wall.

[Clone9]

As a whole, there will never be more 100% electric vehicles than gas. Ever. Sure, current areas of the country have it now, but again, as a whole, electric will never be the majority. Politics aside, it will never work. GM has turned Buick into an electric only franchise starting in 2024, and they have more dealers selling the franchise back to the manufacturer than setting up the infrastructure to be able to sell/fix them. By this time next year, the Buick line may just be gone. Try telling GM that electric is still a good idea, after they will have lost millions on trying to make Buick 100% electric

LOL at blaming the death of Buick on switching to electric. If anything, this is the only hope Buick has of surviving.

And are you really saying that electric vehicles will never be the majority of vehicles in this country? You should probably wake up to what is going on. Sure, it will take some time, as the petroleum industry won't go down without a fight and it will take time to build the infrastructure for many people to fully switch. But to say that it will NEVER happen is just crazy.

 

[Marcelason78]

It could be, but if that is true, why would Buick dealers be any different?

‘If that is true’?— isn’t that what the article says?

 

[IcSyU]

100% adoption will never happen...

But within 10 or 20 years electric will dominate new car sales. R&D is now being spent significantly more in the electric direction and that isn't going to go away. Now that the big boys are dumping a TON of money into electric you'll start to see significant gains in the technology.

From here on out my wife and I will likely have a fully electric and I'd love to get one of the PHEV F150s when they start rolling off assembly lines next? year.

 

[MeowingCows]

I've posted I'm not against EVs but there still needs be a lot more capable mileage for those of us that tow toys via truck/suv. I know I'm in the 10% though too.

(This is exactly why we should've been spending the last 20 years improving and scaling up hybrid tech, instead of doing literally nothing except clown on everyone who owned a Prius)

 

[RagingCloner]

LOL at blaming the death of Buick on switching to electric. If anything, this is the only hope Buick has of surviving.

And are you really saying that electric vehicles will never be the majority of vehicles in this country? You should probably wake up to what is going on. Sure, it will take some time, as the petroleum industry won't go down without a fight and it will take time to build the infrastructure for many people to fully switch. But to say that it will NEVER happen is just crazy.

This is the only hope that Buick has of surviving, which is why it wont. Electric will always be the minority,

There is a bigger push for electric now, and I think that is in part due to the current administration. Truthfully, 50 years from now, I think it is more likely for these gas vehicles to be replaced with some hydro powered type of powertrain than EV

Additionally, what happens when Mexico/China/Korea decide to steal the technology we willingly gave them for these gas engines? Who is going to turn down a brand new gas truck for $30k?

 

[Clone9]

This is the only hope that Buick has of surviving, which is why it wont. Electric will always be the minority,

There is a bigger push for electric now, and I think that is in part due to the current administration. Truthfully, 50 years from now, I think it is more likely for these gas vehicles to be replaced with some hydro powered type of powertrain than EV

Additionally, what happens when Mexico/China/Korea decide to steal the technology we willingly gave them for these gas engines? Who is going to turn down a brand new gas truck for $30k?

Just be sure you keep hold of all of your Kodak stock. I'm sure it'll come back.

 

[RagingCloner]

Just be sure you keep hold of all of your Blockbuster stock. I'm sure it'll come back.

FIFY

 

[brianhos]

LOL at blaming the death of Buick on switching to electric. If anything, this is the only hope Buick has of surviving.

And are you really saying that electric vehicles will never be the majority of vehicles in this country? You should probably wake up to what is going on. Sure, it will take some time, as the petroleum industry won't go down without a fight and it will take time to build the infrastructure for many people to fully switch. But to say that it will NEVER happen is just crazy.

And once you drive an EV you cannot go backwards.

 

[simply1]

I've posted I'm not against EVs but there still needs be a lot more capable mileage for those of us that tow toys via truck/suv. I know I'm in the 10% though too.

I think you’re going to be stuck until something breaks through in the car space, ie solid state type of stuff.

 

[Clonehomer]

This is the only hope that Buick has of surviving, which is why it wont. Electric will always be the minority,

There is a bigger push for electric now, and I think that is in part due to the current administration. Truthfully, 50 years from now, I think it is more likely for these gas vehicles to be replaced with some hydro powered type of powertrain than EV

Additionally, what happens when Mexico/China/Korea decide to steal the technology we willingly gave them for these gas engines? Who is going to turn down a brand new gas truck for $30k?

So what’s to stop Mexico/China/Korea from selling a $30k truck right now?

 

[simply1]

So what’s to stop Mexico/China/Korea from selling a $30k truck right now?

Those new ice F-150s are so cheap!

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

‘If that is true’?— isn’t that what the article says?

No clue, so all these Buick dealers are closing up shop because they refuse to switch over to sell and service EV's?

I have no clue how many Buick dealerships have said they are not going to switch and give up the right to sell vehicles, and no one has come forward with that data either.
So why would Buick dealerships giving up be higher than the data from Cadillac?

 

[RagingCloner]

So what’s to stop Mexico/China/Korea from selling a $30k truck right now?

Contractual agreements with the Manufacturers. Imports/Exports, tariffs, safety standards, etc. GM actually allows some of the models to be sold in China. Cadillac is a popular choice, just sold for less than in the US.

Now, if the rug is pulled out from under them, and they are told to cease and desist with gas engines, guarantee they find a work around for all of those things. SAIC likes their american $$$

 

[mramseyISU]

Farm and commercial/industrial equipment aside, I get your point on 10-20 years, but realistically it will be 15-20 years from a future date when new private passenger cars/trucks (gas/ICE powered) are no longer sold.

In other words, it’s not going to happen in 10-20 years. I would say 10-20 years from 10-20 years from now.

Regarding the farm/commercial/industrial stuff, unless we have a major breakthrough in battery tech, that stuff is going to remain diesel powered for the foreseeable future. The sheer amount of energy required to operate is not close to feasible with current battery tech.

I think us Midwesterners are just strictly thinking about a tractor used for corn/soy beans/wheat types of crop. Sure those big tractors are going to stay with some sort of combustion engine for a long time but not necessarily diesel, there's lots of research around alternative fuels for those. The thing is that there are far more 100ish horsepower and below tractors than tractors bigger than that. There's several BEV options on sale now in that lower horsepower space and it's only going to grow.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

This idea that the government is going to step in and force auto companies to stop producing gas/diesel powered vehicles is just propaganda by the oil companies and their stooges.
Why did they stop making VCR's or stop making electric typewriters, simple, the market and the demand for the product changed. Manufacturers changed their products to meet the changing market and over time those products followed the long list of products no longer made.

The Big 3 auto makers are pumping billions into switching over to EV's and hybrids, it is occurring now, and will pick up steam as we move later in the decade. So, you might as well get used to it, you do not have purchase them or even like them, but they are coming.

 

[Pat]

This idea that the government is going to step in and force auto companies to stop producing gas/diesel powered vehicles is just propaganda by the oil companies and their stooges.
Why did they stop making VCR's or stop making electric typewriters, simple, the market and the demand for the product changed. Manufacturers changed their products to meet the changing market and over time those products followed the long list of products no longer made.

The Big 3 auto makers are pumping billions into switching over to EV's and hybrids, it is occurring now, and will pick up steam as we move later in the decade. So, you might as well get used to it, you do not have purchase them or even like them, but they are coming.

Just like the government would never force you to stop using gas ranges, or gas furnaces, or incandescent light bulbs. It would be a ridiculous overreach!

There are some breakthroughs still needed regarding range vs change time and cold-weather efficiency before EVs are practical in the middle of the country, but we certainly seem to be going in that direction.

 

[herbicide]

I think us Midwesterners are just strictly thinking about a tractor used for corn/soy beans/wheat types of crop. Sure those big tractors are going to stay with some sort of combustion engine for a long time but not necessarily diesel, there's lots of research around alternative fuels for those. The thing is that there are far more 100ish horsepower and below tractors than tractors bigger than that. There's several BEV options on sale now in that lower horsepower space and it's only going to grow.

Yes, I’m referring to those “big” farm machines, construction equipment (yellow iron), vocational trucks like garbage, dump, cement trucks.

I spent some time in that vocational truck industry, there are some electrified applications but they are limited in both market and abilities due to the aforementioned energy requirements for the work being done. CNG is and has been a commercially viable diesel alternative.

 

[BCClone]

How much more energy production would we need if 50% of the vehicles were electric? Will we be firing the coal plants back up that were shuttered?

 

[KnappShack]

How much more energy production would we need if 50% of the vehicles were electric? Will we be firing the coal plants back up that were shuttered?

As long as we wash the coal beforehand. Make it nice and beautifully clean

 

[nfrine]

There is some fascinating technology that goes into those. They have 9 batteries, for a 500 mile range. Also accompanied with 3 independent motors. Thousand Watt powertrain is what they call it. They also have megawatt charging capabilities. No idea how they perform being hitched to thousands of pounds of cargo however

@besserheimerphat