ISU Gambling Megathread

What I was trying to point out, is that to collect damages you have to show that damages were suffered. His athletic career doesn't suggest that loss of future wages etal would be a viable basis. Loss of scholarship, that very possibly would but he's still on the roster, hence presumably on scholarship.

Re your Testa example, you're correct, LEO wouldnt have the right to its records for the mere purpose of writing a speeding ticket when you hadn't been observed to be speeding. But, if you were involved in a fatal accident and speed appeared to have been a factor, they probably could subpoena those records to see if you had in fact caused the accident because of speed. I say "probably" because I think I've read of that being done, but certainly don't claim to be an expert

And the bolded is what would provide the support needed to get a warrant for information about whether your vehicle, specifically, was speeding at the time of the accident. A specific vehicle that was known to have been involved in the accident with likely some other supporting evidence that speeding may have contributed. There would be a reasonable suspicion based on evidence at the scene of an accident your vehicle was involved in. Even then, LEO wouldn't be able to subpoena all your Tesla's speed records, they would likely only be able to subpoena the data around the time of the accident. Law enforcement cannot randomly request or search private records, they must request specific records based on evidence-based suspicion of specific wrongdoing. (some courts have broader understandings of how specific these must be, but there must usually be reasonable limits.)

Think of the current case with this perspective:

Imagine the Iowa DOT had limited access to all speeding data for cell phones on roadways for research purposes (i.e., to know what roads are safe / well-trafficked / being sped on). They don't have authorization to know whose data it is or to troll it for specific instances of speeding to ticket. Now, imagine that highway patrol, despite not having authorization, pull from that system a list of all cell phone location data within a low-income area of the Des Moines for the previous 12 months. Imagine further, that they then proceed to ticket only women who had a cell phone travelling too fast on roadways in those areas for the past 9 months. No men were ticketed. That's appears to be a better representation of what's happening here than the hypothetical you provided.

No problem with those tickets, right? They were all speeding on a roadway, after all.
 
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What I was trying to point out, is that to collect damages you have to show that damages were suffered. His athletic career doesn't suggest that loss of future wages etal would be a viable basis. Loss of scholarship, that very possibly would but he's still on the roster, hence presumably on scholarship.

Re your Testa example, you're correct, LEO wouldnt have the right to its records for the mere purpose of writing a speeding ticket when you hadn't been observed to be speeding. But, if you were involved in a fatal accident and speed appeared to have been a factor, they probably could subpoena those records to see if you had in fact caused the accident because of speed. I say "probably" because I think I've read of that being done, but certainly don't claim to be an expert

You are conflating two different arguments. The CRIMINAL case was dismissed due to a failure to file by the deadline. Plumb is building a CIVIL case under the theory these individuals' due process protections were violated by a governmental agency acting outside of their authority and denying them their due process rights. Two wholly separate concepts.
 

That seems like an over correction in the other way to the point it doesn't even make sense to punish players for gambling at all unless they bet on their own team. Though I'm also of the belief they shouldn't allow them to bet on college sports in general, but understand why people don't have an issue with that.

Also, retroactively applying it at the end of October is laughable. It'll help the wrestlers or winter sport athletes, but you wasted any football players eligibility this year, and all the baseball players last year.
 
That seems like an over correction in the other way to the point it doesn't even make sense to punish players for gambling at all unless they bet on their own team. Though I'm also of the belief they shouldn't allow them to bet on college sports in general, but understand why people don't have an issue with that.

Also, retroactively applying it at the end of October is laughable. It'll help the wrestlers or winter sport athletes, but you wasted any football players eligibility this year, and all the baseball players last year.

A long as they don't bet on their own team they should be allowed to gamble.
 
I don't care if kids gamble, but to me the line that can't be crossed is betting on your own team. That's the big scenario that puts the integrity of the sport in jeopardy. Somebody playing football can't impact the basketball outcome to their benefit, but they sure as hell can their own game.

Anything else, I don't really give a ****.
 
Disagree. I don't feel they should be able to bet on:
  • Their sport at any college
  • Other sports at their school.
Those exceptions leave more than enough college and professional sports for a college athlete to bet on.

Why? They have no influence over other schools teams or even other teams at their school.

There's no harm in players from ISU who missed a bowl game last year betting on bowl games that other teams are playing. There's no harm in football players betting on NCAA tournament games.
 
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Hanika is getting totally boned. Remsburg too, but Remsburg has at least been with the team this whole time. Hanika didn’t bet on Iowa State football and criminal charges have been dropped. Assuming the NCAA penalties are voided retroactively, he will still loses half a year (assuming he even wants to come back) because there is no way he’s in full game shape. Right?
 
Why? They have no influence over other schools teams or even other teams at their school.

There's no harm in players from ISU who missed a bowl game last year betting on bowl games that other teams are playing. There's no harm in football players betting on NCAA tournament games.
But do they possess information that might not be known to the general betting public?

Let's say Tamin Lipsey goes to the ISU doctors and sees Becht, Noel and Tampa wearing boots or using crutches. The injuries happened in practice and aren't widely known.

Obviously, athletes don't just know athletes on their team. They have friends in their sport at other schools- HS or AAU teammates, national teams, competitor friendships. Guys could innocently or intentionally share information.

IMO the integrity of the game and integrity of sports gambling is primary. Sure there are still loopholes that rules could never account for. But for student athletes who are getting full cost of education and NIL income- I don't think it's unreasonable for them to not bet on their sport or other sports at their school.
 
Does anyone know if any of these players will rejoin the team this season because of this NCAA ruling? And what about Paniro?
 
But do they possess information that might not be known to the general betting public?

Let's say Tamin Lipsey goes to the ISU doctors and sees Becht, Noel and Tampa wearing boots or using crutches. The injuries happened in practice and aren't widely known.

Obviously, athletes don't just know athletes on their team. They have friends in their sport at other schools- HS or AAU teammates, national teams, competitor friendships. Guys could innocently or intentionally share information.

IMO the integrity of the game and integrity of sports gambling is primary. Sure there are still loopholes that rules could never account for. But for student athletes who are getting full cost of education and NIL income- I don't think it's unreasonable for them to not bet on their sport or other sports at their school.

So? There's no law about having inside information when betting. This isn't the stock market where insider trading is illegal.

Many non-athlete college students are friends with athletes and have access to the same information and can bet.

I could go watch practice see that so and so is hurt and place a bet on that information.
 
So? There's no law about having inside information when betting. This isn't the stock market where insider trading is illegal.

Many non-athlete college students are friends with athletes and have access to the same information and can bet.

I could go watch practice see that so and so is hurt and place a bet on that information.
Tulane is making people sign NDAs on using inside information. Someone placing a $100,000 bet six minutes after getting inside information on the delay/cancellation of an SEC baseball game lost his job. It may not be illegal, but it definitely has serious implications for the person making the bet. It is generally believed that the NFL and NBA will probably clamp down on use of inside information when betting. As someone who worked in the athletic department, I can tell you one of the greatest nightmares of any department head is a student athlete with a large gambling debt in possession of valuable inside information.
 
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So? There's no law about having inside information when betting. This isn't the stock market where insider trading is illegal.

Many non-athlete college students are friends with athletes and have access to the same information and can bet.

I could go watch practice see that so and so is hurt and place a bet on that information.
Laws are irrelevant. Sport organizations have rules for what they considered legitimate betting. In the last 6 months the NFL suspended players. No different, the NCAA does and should have restrictions.

I expect in the next year college teams will have to release injury reports similar to NFL to promote transparency.

What athletes know and what they can do is different than non-athletes. There was a big difference between what Isaiah Lee did and players like Hanika or Remsburg. But the temptation isn't that big of a leap.

Why open college sport to the appearance of integrity issues. There are enough other sports for athletes to bet on.
 
But do they possess information that might not be known to the general betting public?

Let's say Tamin Lipsey goes to the ISU doctors and sees Becht, Noel and Tampa wearing boots or using crutches. The injuries happened in practice and aren't widely known.

Obviously, athletes don't just know athletes on their team. They have friends in their sport at other schools- HS or AAU teammates, national teams, competitor friendships. Guys could innocently or intentionally share information.

IMO the integrity of the game and integrity of sports gambling is primary. Sure there are still loopholes that rules could never account for. But for student athletes who are getting full cost of education and NIL income- I don't think it's unreasonable for them to not bet on their sport or other sports at their school.
Great points. Here is another source of inside information that‘s drawing attention: the use of scripted plays. Say Rocco rooms with Tamin. Tamin helps Rocco memorize the scripted plays. Tamin now has valuable inside information used in a lot of bets.
 
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Great points. Here is another source of inside information that‘s drawing attention: the use of scripted plays. Say Rocco rooms with Tamin. Tamin helps Rocco memorize the scripted plays. Tamin now has valuable inside information used in a lot of bets.
No, not great points. The same scenarios could be used for any non-athlete. Athletes aren't just friends with other athletes you know. Hell, half of this board probably placed a bet on the under for number of wins after we got 'inside info' about possible suspensions. I know I did.

Tulane is making people sign NDAs on using inside information. Someone placing a $100,000 bet six minutes after getting inside information on the delay/cancellation of an SEC baseball game lost his job. It may not be illegal, but it definitely has serious implications for the person making the bet. It is generally believed that the NFL and NBA will probably clamp down on use of inside information when betting. As someone who worked in the athletic department, I can tell you one of the greatest nightmares of any department head is a student athlete with a large gambling debt in possession of valuable inside information.
These are not the days of players racking up thousands in debt to the local mob. You need to deposit money and pre-pay to wager with these apps. No one is under threat to get capped by heavies from FanDual, so a large incentive to corrupt the system is no longer there.
 
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