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Which again, I understand from a space point of view, but I remember the times I went to Oktoberfest we would always be able to go out somewhere after we were done with the festivities. Usually including a trip to HH.

If they do it right, it can work, but have to think there will be more vehicle traffic vs. the foot traffic they likely got downtown. Or downtown residents that just decide to stay home.
Many people that moved back to downtowns said easy access to these things are what attracted them to move there. Now if those events move; it’s very likely you see a migration away from downtowns again.
 
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Many people that moved back to downtowns said easy access to these things are what attracted them to move there. Now if those events move; it’s very likely you see a migration away from downtowns again.

And the city will blame it on the jobs leaving, and not their mismanagement towards those amenities.
 
So why would a company develop something if no one’s going to be there?

If someone is going to build they expect usage. If a city is going to give incentives for a company, they are looking for ways to recoup that money which usually is in sales taxes or increased taxes in those working there. Otherwise it’s just a handout with nothing coming back.

It’s why it makes sense for the city to require so much foot traffic if they are going to help. I don’t think I’m lost in this thought.

So, explain why it doesn’t make sense for the city to require foot traffic to give incentives.

Right, so we agree, this only disincentives development. Hot take: Seems bad.

Especially with as small as an incentive as 25k a year is to a company that size. I find it pretty hard to believe that if the K&G office was 40 - 50% remote that Des Moines doesn't recoup that pretty easily. I'm sure it works for the mgmt group that owns them because it fits with what they were already planning on, but you really want Des Moines turning away big companies like that if they want to control their own WFH/in office policy?

If you goal is to pump up downtown traffic this ain't it by a longshot. Likely to do the opposite IMO.
 
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Thinking about this more. I hope Des Moines has other more forward thinking plans to attract people downtown. This feels like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It is an attempt to hang on to an old system rather than innovating for the way things are going.
They could start by getting rid of the homeless encampments and panhandlers.
 
Had a friend from back in DM tell me they moved Oktoberfest out of downtown.

I can understand space concerns, but still seems stupid to me. Downtown was such a great setup (Hessen Haus!)

Downtown DSM is not great at night.... That's the reason events are moving. Apparently random gunshots aren't nearly as cool as they used to be.
 
They could start by getting rid of the homeless encampments and panhandlers.

My wife's workplace fielded a bunch of complaints about bums and literal human crap in the parking garages downtown. Their answer was to bring in someone from the city who lectured the employees about how "those people are someone's children." And that they should have a heart and display some compassion.
 
They could start by getting rid of the homeless encampments and panhandlers.
This is becoming a problem even in the DM Suburbs. Can't drive anywhere these days without passing at least 1 or more panhandlers at an intersection somewhere and a lot of them are the same ones you'll see there frequently. And sadly I don't trust any of them as there are plenty that have been exposed to just be scammers that have been seen getting into a nice vehicle nearby when they are done. I've been tempted to write up a list of organizations with contact information such as homeless shelters, Joppa, Hope Ministries, and other organizations in the area that help the homeless or people in need and just hand them a sheet and tell them that I donate to these organizations (which I do) that would be more than glad to help them out if they are in need.
 
All this is doing is giving companies "another reason" to bring people back in.
Now they can use collaboration and now tax breaks as an excuse.

everyone knows that 25k isn't a reason to implement a policy, but its a convenient reason.
 
The downtown scene was starting to get pretty rough well before covid.

That’s kind of the lifecycle of a downtown.

Deteriorate: eventually crime goes down because there is no one to crime or crime on. Stuff gets cheap

Rejuvenate: crime has found a new home and it takes awhile to move back in, halcyon days of lofts and crappy restaurants and bars. Devs snatch up cheap real estate. City incentivizes.

Revitalized: crime comes back in because there are people to crime on and bars and nightlife attract the crime again because there are people to crime on. Stuff isn’t cheap anymore. Incentives gone.

Deteriorate: people stay away because of crime and businesses have left because of crime. Prices go down again and eventually become attractive enough for devs to take chances on it again. City incentivizes.
 
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Right, so we agree, this only disincentives development. Hot take: Seems bad.

Especially with as small as an incentive as 25k a year is to a company that size. I find it pretty hard to believe that if the K&G office was 40 - 50% remote that Des Moines doesn't recoup that pretty easily. I'm sure it works for the mgmt group that owns them because it fits with what they were already planning on, but you really want Des Moines turning away big companies like that if they want to control their own WFH/in office policy?

If you goal is to pump up downtown traffic this ain't it by a longshot. Likely to do the opposite IMO.
No we don’t.

How does having all remote workers pump up the downtown?

EDiT: Also, so being 50% WFH is fine according to what you posted but 60% is not? That one day every other week is your issue?
 
It’s at least hopefully harder to sexually harass people remotely but given what you see in the news, I’m not really sure

I didn't post because cave-y but it did actually go down based on most recent data. Really makes me side eye some of the big names pushing heavily to return to the office. Proximity and desire for control obviously play into that. There are a lot of demographic groups just fine with hybrid/remote.
 
My wife's workplace fielded a bunch of complaints about bums and literal human crap in the parking garages downtown. Their answer was to bring in someone from the city who lectured the employees about how "those people are someone's children." And that they should have a heart and display some compassion.

The problem always ends at where do you move them to? NIMBY strikes again.
 

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