Principal Financial-Remote work

I think there are people who can do it well and be a good member of a community without having the tie of a physical workplace - you seem like one of them. But there are a lot of people (most people) who aren't.

I mean this sincerely, how meaningful are your work relationships? I have fun with my coworkers, I like to have a laugh and stuff. But I know very little about their personal lives and vice versa. If the extent of my contribution to my community was just my work relationships it would be almost zero.
 
I mean this sincerely, how meaningful are your work relationships? I have fun with my coworkers, I like to have a laugh and stuff. But I know very little about their personal lives and vice versa. If the extent of my contribution to my community was just my work relationships it would be almost zero.
I'm friendly to my coworkers but not friends. I have actual friends and family that I work to be able to spend time and do activities with.
 
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I'm friendly to my coworkers but not friends. I have actual friends and family that I work to be able to spend time and do activities with.
I have some very close friends that have come as a result of working together. Some of my closest, in fact. We don't work together anymore, but we have stayed very close friends. I think that when I was younger, it felt natural to hang out with the people you work with. When you spend all day together, sharing similar experiences, grabbing a beer together after work feels right in line, especially if you don't have a spouse and/or children. As I got older, and accumulated some of those "accessories of life" hanging out outside of work didn't come as easily, although it still did to some degree. I guess, at this point, I don't have a problem with developing close friendships, but I can see how they could go bad in certain circumstances.
 
Trust me, I got the email from the CEO. Those are old job descriptions. If you work with 30 miles of Des Moines or Charlotte, you will be working in the new hybrid model, which is a minimum of 3 days in the office per week.
I used to work there so asked a couple ex co-workers and you're right. Hearing this doesn't shock me at all. They were anti-remote prior to covid. I'm curious if they still have the underground basketball court by where the fancy guys park.
 
I may be in the minority with this view but I feel I'm less productive at home than the office and I also feel that by not working from home I am able to separate my work and family life better. When I leave work for the day thats it, I'm not taking anything home with me and I have the 20 minute drive home to decompress and get my mind in state to enjoy my personal time. I went into the office during the pandemic as the type of work I do I still had the need to meet people I support in person when I couldn't do the work remote or over the phone.

My wife was fully remote during the pandemic and now has to be in office 50% of the time. Had some heated conversations at times over how I didn't like her work intruding on our family time sometimes as it was really convenient to work longer or if she had a bad day of work she'd be in a bad mood and felt like she'd take put her frustrations on us at times. That's what I like about my office routine, if I have a bad day I am able to walk away from it at the end of the day and blow off some steam on my drive home then am able to reset my mood as I don't mentally associate our home as my place of work.

I realize not everyone is built that way but I find myself better mentally by having that physical separation of where I work not being the same place I live.
 
The key here is intentional ways of interacting with those we don't already identify with, whether those are political differences, race, gender, sex orientation, whatever.

For an introvert like me, good ******* luck coming up with a way for me to voluntarily interact with people I don't already know. My wife would tell you I barely interact with the people I do know lol.

Am I your wife?????
 
I may be in the minority with this view but I feel I'm less productive at home than the office and I also feel that by not working from home I am able to separate my work and family life better. When I leave work for the day thats it, I'm not taking anything home with me and I have the 20 minute drive home to decompress and get my mind in state to enjoy my personal time. I went into the office during the pandemic as the type of work I do I still had the need to meet people I support in person when I couldn't do the work remote or over the phone.

My wife was fully remote during the pandemic and now has to be in office 50% of the time. Had some heated conversations at times over how I didn't like her work intruding on our family time sometimes as it was really convenient to work longer or if she had a bad day of work she'd be in a bad mood and felt like she'd take put her frustrations on us at times. That's what I like about my office routine, if I have a bad day I am able to walk away from it at the end of the day and blow off some steam on my drive home then am able to reset my mood as I don't mentally associate our home as my place of work.

I realize not everyone is built that way but I find myself better mentally by having that physical separation of where I work not being the same place I live.

Some people like a short commute to decompress. I get that.
 
I'll also add (and this won't be very popular) that some of the flexibilities that come with work from home aren't helpful for the cause. Too many people talk about running errands and helping with the kids and that is the kind of stuff that make corporations want people in an office. I'm pretty careful to make sure I'm working regular hours and if something changes, letting people know. I think it's fair to expect people to have child care lined up.
 
The only time I could decompress in commute traffic was when I rode my bike or light rail. Driving in that crap put me in a worse mood. Now I can go meditate or something with the time saved.
 
I'll also add (and this won't be very popular) that some of the flexibilities that come with work from home aren't helpful for the cause. Too many people talk about running errands and helping with the kids and that is the kind of stuff that make corporations want people in an office. I'm pretty careful to make sure I'm working regular hours and if something changes, letting people know. I think it's fair to expect people to have child care lined up.

I would do the same **** at the office. If I need to run, I NEED to run whatever “errand” it is whether I’m at home or not.
 
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Roughly 65% of the people that work for my company aren't even in the state of Massachusetts. Fortunately, they were already starting to allow remote work prior to covid, so I'm not at all concerned about that changing. I realize I'm pretty fortunate in that regard.
 
not speaking for IT, but for everyone else there are repercussions for companies that do not have employees in the office. For one, there is less mentoring going on, so younger or newer people are not learning at the rate they should be or are making mistakes that if they were in direct contact with a mentor would have been avoid. The others are company culture and positive benefits of collaboration, people feeding off of each other. The happy medium is probably let employees work from home one or two days a week and be in the office at other times.

It is essential for cities like Des Moines to have a strong and healthy core. The companies want access to young talent. Yes young people like the idea of working from home, but they also want to live in cities with an active arts and music scene. It takes a strong core to make that happen. If things fall apart in the core, it makes it way harder for companies to recruit talent, they will just lose out to Minneapolis, Chicago, Kansas City, Denver etc.. Des Moines went through this decades ago, the civic leaders and business leaders recognized they had a problem in that there was a brain drain, they were losing talent to other places. So they hired a consultant who told them to reverse this trend, they had better create an environment and invest in a healthy arts and music scene. They did it and it worked.
My daughter went through this on her internship this year. Had to basically learn stuff on her own most of the time because everyone worked from home. She said she will never work at that place after college because it’s very difficult to learn anything as a new employee.
 
This is the old school mentality that your only working if I can see you. A manager should be able to determine the workload and if more can be added or not. If the manager has no idea, then they're not really managing.

So seriously explain to me how, without micromanaging (ie daily status calls), someone can manage an young (or not the best) employee if they've got something that's like a 3-4 week project. I'm not being an ass, but it's my first time as a PM, I've got 15-20 people that I'm "responsible" for, and if half of these people were remote I'd be SOL.

One thing I have with my younger engineers in the office is the ability to observe what they are doing, read their body language, etc. If I ask them in a meeting a lot of time they say they are doing fine, etc, but when you observe them at their desk (just in passing) I can tell they are on the struggle bus.
 
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So seriously explain to me how, without micromanaging (ie daily status calls), someone can manage an young (or not the best) employee if they've got something that's like a 3-4 week project. I'm not being an ass, but it's my first time as a PM, I've got 15-20 people that I'm "responsible" for, and if half of these people were remote I'd be SOL.

One thing I have with my younger engineers in the office is the ability to observe what they are doing, read their body language, etc. If I ask them in a meeting a lot of time they say they are doing fine, etc, but when you observe them at their desk (just in passing) I can tell they are on the struggle bus.
I think there are legit reasons and roles that need to be in office. But also if they are young they likely spent like 2 solid years doing remote college, you could probably get a solid idea of what works for them by crowdsourcing from them. The 22-25 year olds on my team are generally some of the more capable remote workers if you give them some guardrails.
 
The key here is intentional ways of interacting with those we don't already identify with, whether those are political differences, race, gender, sex orientation, whatever.

For an introvert like me, good ******* luck coming up with a way for me to voluntarily interact with people I don't already know. My wife would tell you I barely interact with the people I do know lol.
You, me, and @cowgirl836 should get together and not interact. We are kindred spirits!

I have a lot of fear of strangers and equally don’t want to meet anyone regardless of their status, race, religion, etc.

Social media really confirms one’s fears about people being awful.
 
So seriously explain to me how, without micromanaging (ie daily status calls), someone can manage an young (or not the best) employee if they've got something that's like a 3-4 week project. I'm not being an ass, but it's my first time as a PM, I've got 15-20 people that I'm "responsible" for, and if half of these people were remote I'd be SOL.

One thing I have with my younger engineers in the office is the ability to observe what they are doing, read their body language, etc. If I ask them in a meeting a lot of time they say they are doing fine, etc, but when you observe them at their desk (just in passing) I can tell they are on the struggle bus.
All of my kids are engineers except the physicist.

A couple of them were assigned mentors when they first started. Assumed the mentors communicated things with the supervisor.

They thought the mentor was a new hire Covid thing, but now they want to promote one of them and told him he needs to mentor someone so they can. So they assigned him to a summer intern that they never give much work to cause they never think much through on that. He tries to come up with stuff for her to do but much of what he does, she does not have security clearance to do.
 
My water, soap, shampoo, dry cleaning, shaving cream, deodorant bills would skyrocket

Mrs. KnappShack perusing the home office:

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I don’t think WFH is effective if there are young kids around or TV’s are on. I think there needs to be parameters but if those are met it’s not an issue.

I’m a pretty sociable guy in most instances but I can’t remember grabbing lunch with a coworker in the last 10 years. When I’m at work, I don’t want to be there and I’ve always just had the mentality that work is for working.
I haven’t had to have any zooms or calls with someone WFHing lately, but I had a stretch where it was refreshing when I didn’t have to have a kid screaming or dog barking in the background. It’s like setting a meeting for 8 and not logging on until 8:15. Don’t make me sit there while you take care of personal things or try to talk over noise. The last one I had said I was just going to log off if it happened on the next one because it had become so frequent. Please don’t waste my time and productivity.
 

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