Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Cal and Stanford are a big part of the reason USCLA are moving. The ethoses of those four schools are not nearly as aligned as one would think.
Someone here said Northern California was comparable in value to Wyoming, and yet your comment here manages to be the most batshit, delusional thing I’ve read in this thread.
 
Oh I didn’t mean politics about bringing WSU I meant politics in the broader sense. Everything else I totally agree with.

What would be funny is if the conference is forced to stop at 16 if OUW got in and two of the corner schools were left out.

I think B12 fans are just fine with Utah anchoring a new WAC the way they’ve reacted to all this. ASU to lesser extent.

B12 is the life boat and those fans think we’re the iceberg.
 
I'm in the minority here but I'd rather have the 4 corner schools than Oregon/Washington. I think the #1 thing the league has now that we've never had in the past is unity through alignment. We're the land of misfit toys that somehow survived all of this craziness. Bringing in Arizona and ASU fits (screw Utah but they do fit regionally) our culture in my opinion. Oregon & Washington are elitists that will have one foot out the door the whole time. I'd offer spots as if to say, "If you're in, you're all the way in, and this is how we do it here."
 

It may take a bit of soul searching to stop at 16 if Oregon and Washington join.

I can see leaving off Utah. I don't think Utah would be a net negative fiscally but BYU is probably the better overall program in Utah anyway.

Arizona has seemed very much in favor of joining and has a better basketball program. However, ASU has about double the number of alumni and resides in a much larger metropolitan area.
 
I'm in the minority here but I'd rather have the 4 corner schools than Oregon/Washington. I think the #1 thing the league has now that we've never had in the past is unity through alignment. We're the land of misfit toys that somehow survived all of this craziness. Bringing in Arizona and ASU fits (screw Utah but they do fit regionally) our culture in my opinion. Oregon & Washington are elitists that will have one foot out the door the whole time. I'd offer spots as if to say, "If you're in, you're all the way in, and this is how we do it here."

I haven’t heard a peep out of OU or Washington through this that would make me think they are “elitist”.
 
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Monetarily: I don’t believe Fox would agree to increase the payouts pro rata for Cal like they have with CU and potentially others. I fully admit I could be wrong on that.

Athletically: Cal is poor in football and basketball. I can’t necessarily speak to their other sports, but they haven’t been competitive in the two main ones in 10+ years. In football they are 66-84 since 2010. In basketball their last tourney appearance was 2016 and last sweet 16 was 1997. I’d say that’s probably on par with ISU athletically. But if the tables were turned here, I don’t think ISU would be considered for P12 membership unfortunately

Culturally is tough to explain, and anecdotal, but I’ve worked with several Berkeley grads and CU grads. Berkeley is just a different world than the Midwest. Well beyond your typical liberal campus environment, even for a liberal campus like Boulder. I’m not saying that’s bad, and don’t want to cave the topic. I’m not using liberal for a political discussion, just as a descriptor. I’m saying the Big 12’s priorities on football and Cal’s priorities, vision and goals won’t align. This is a student body/alumni that had a massive, 2 year tree sit-in over the removal of a grove of oak trees to build an athletic facility in 2008. That is an example of how culturally the school and conference don’t align

The person behind the sit-in was not affiliated with the university. He is a mentally ill transplant to the Bay Area.
 
I'm in the minority here but I'd rather have the 4 corner schools than Oregon/Washington. I think the #1 thing the league has now that we've never had in the past is unity through alignment. We're the land of misfit toys that somehow survived all of this craziness. Bringing in Arizona and ASU fits (screw Utah but they do fit regionally) our culture in my opinion. Oregon & Washington are elitists that will have one foot out the door the whole time. I'd offer spots as if to say, "If you're in, you're all the way in, and this is how we do it here."
With all the Big 12 bashing from Utah, you think they are going to be happy to slum it in the Big 12? ASU has been the same, but to a little lesser extent. I'm not sure what you mean by "Culture Fit" when ASU and Utah have been bashing Big 12 culture since the start of all of this. I don't think that WAOU are much different really, but imo they add real, solid value to the conference compared to ASU and Utah.
 
What has killed the PAC is that the TV networks figured out that the PAC isn't needed as far as the evening/late night time slots go. If the Big 12 can get 4 teams both the B1G and PAC own end to end gameday coverage and possibly some Friday night slots as well.
Will be curious if ESPN reevaluates its time slots based on FOX's push for Big Noon (11am CT) game.

Currently ESPN shows 4 games on Saturday at 11am CT, 2:30p CT, 6:00p CT & 9:30p CT. Obviously that has created a niche for Pac12 After Dark games. But what if ESPN jumps ahead of FOX and shows ET zone ACC & SEC games at 10am CT? That would move the After Dark game up to 8:30p CT, which would make a 7:30pm start time for MT Zone schools like CU and BYU.

IMO offsetting games makes sense from a fan standpoint. If the 7pm game is a blow out or boring, I would skip over at half to watch the start of the After Dark game (and might stick around).
 
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They just don’t quit do they?

I don't think they understand that pushing UCONN over another PAC school probably weakens their position. It just reinforces that there may be a limited number of spots in the lifeboat, so you better move quicker rather than later.

BY can get UCONN anytime he wants.
 
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