Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[HFCS]

But it's hard to understand what an Alliance means. One Conference doesn't have a TV deal and the other Conference has a cheap TV deal that lasts another 13 years.

Not sure which one is in a worse predicament. Not only is ACC GOR an issue, but what is ESPN's incentive to invest in a Pac 6 or 8.

They could proactively merge to make sure their least valuable teams end up in the #4 $$$ conference down the road.

But the least valuable teams aren't calling the shots or the Pac and Big 12 would have fully merged a couple years ago.

 

[cyatheart]

It is still hard to believe, how poorly the Pac 10 has handled this. If you sat down a couple years ago and wrote down everything you could think of that the Pac could do to kill itself, they did all of them, and even invented some you couldn't imagine.

What were they thinking about on this TV deal? It's just crazy that grown adults could be this ignorant.

Really remarkable.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Why wouldn't Oregon and wash jump for this tv contract. Would be better off than whatever pac will get. Big isn't taking them now may not ever take them.

If they do not, it will be because they think they probably have an option in the Big 10. Whether that is delusional or not, we shall see, but hanging the future of your program on that takes some balls (if they haven't been given damn solid feedback from the Big 10 previously).

Hanging around with the PAC 12 remnants isn't going to increase their allure to other conferences, and it could well deteriorate over time.

 

[Clonefan94]

So I agree you could get them at a bargain price but at some point you have to get them up to a full share.

That’s the only concern I would have about the Big12 adding a bunch of teams. Yea it’s written into the contract that right now they get a full share but elevating 4 G5 teams and adding some other Pac12 teams that couldn’t get their own deal could possibly effect the next negotiation. You still take them and cross that bridge down the line but it’s the only thing I would be wary of.

That being said if you kill the pac you become one of the only other options to spend media dollars on so could be a non issue.

Oh, I agree. But, I do think that WAOR actually add value to the Big 12 and if they became members who stuck around, would help in the next round of TV negotiations. I can't really say that about the other teams left in the PAC. They only way I want the Big 12 to add 3 more teams, is if 2 of those are WA and OR.

That being said, the main point of my post you quoted was that I don't believe WAOR are really a target for the Big 10. As I said, I think if the Big 10 really wanted them, they'd be in the Big 10.

 

[Gunnerclone]

So I agree you could get them at a bargain price but at some point you have to get them up to a full share.

That’s the only concern I would have about the Big12 adding a bunch of teams. Yea it’s written into the contract that right now they get a full share but elevating 4 G5 teams and adding some other Pac12 teams that couldn’t get their own deal could possibly effect the next negotiation. You still take them and cross that bridge down the line but it’s the only thing I would be wary of.

That being said if you kill the pac you become one of the only other options to spend media dollars on so could be a non issue.

In 5 years a Big 12 sans OU/TX + WA/OU + whatever else would be absolutely fine. This is the culling of the herd down to three. Next time around might cull it to 2 but who knows. Gotta take the shot imo no one knows what things will look like when the next TV deals come around.

 

[MisterO]

Take this for what it is worth

I’ll take it!

 

[Gunnerclone]

It is still hard to believe, how poorly the Pac 10 has handled this. If you sat down a couple years ago and wrote down everything you could think of that the Pac could do to kill itself, they did all of them, and even invented some you couldn't imagine.

What were they thinking about on this TV deal? It's just crazy that grown adults could be this ignorant.

Really remarkable.

Mandel’s “big 12 outfoxed the pac” is a pretty creative headline. The PAC has Wile Coyote’d itself over and over again. The big 12 just did regular business, the PAC 12 tried to run a hustle and failed.

 

[Cloneon]

Can someone relink the Colorado Board meeting?

 

[Triggermv]

 

[Clonefan94]

It is still hard to believe, how poorly the Pac 10 has handled this. If you sat down a couple years ago and wrote down everything you could think of that the Pac could do to kill itself, they did all of them, and even invented some you couldn't imagine.

What were they thinking about on this TV deal? It's just crazy that grown adults could be this ignorant.

Really remarkable.

I think the PACs long time association with the Big 10 really got to them. Not only did they think they were friends, but they thought they were on a similar level value wise. I think the whole time the TV Negotiations were going on, they got some numbers, some that were probably pretty decent originally, but they thought they were better than what they were given. So they were holding out for more. They got outplayed by a conference that knew where it stood and the Big 12 stepped in and said, "We'll take that."

 

[Cyched]

 

[Gunnerclone]

 

[JHUNSY]

Can someone relink the Colorado Board meeting?

University of Colorado Video Archive

 

[Cloneon]

I think the PACs long time association with the Big 10 really got to them. Not only did they think they were friends, but they thought they were on a similar level value wise. I think the whole time the TV Negotiations were going on, they got some numbers, some that were probably pretty decent originally, but they thought they were better than what they were given. So they were holding out for more. They got outplayed by a conference that knew where it stood and the Big 12 stepped in and said, "We'll take that."

Let's not ignore the good fortune the B12 had during all this (eg A&M reveal, B12 solidarity, 4 of the better available schools, OuT early buyout, BY early negotiation, CU fiscal failure since P12, etc.)

 

[laminak]

 

[RonBurgundy]

I think the PACs long time association with the Big 10 really got to them. Not only did they think they were friends, but they thought they were on a similar level value wise. I think the whole time the TV Negotiations were going on, they got some numbers, some that were probably pretty decent originally, but they thought they were better than what they were given. So they were holding out for more. They got outplayed by a conference that knew where it stood and the Big 12 stepped in and said, "We'll take that."

This x100. With the historical Rose Bowl, the PAC thought the B1G was its BFF. Not sure how they did not see the writing on the wall when the "Alliance" of ACC/B1G/PAC fell apart as soon as USCLA wanted out. GK and the PAC clearly believed that they would be slotted in below the B1G/SEC, but above the Big12/ACC.

Big misstep letting BY jump them and get the last decent media deal. There is simply no money left at ESPN, etc to offer the PAC what they thought they were worth.

 

[Clonehomer]

It is still hard to believe, how poorly the Pac 10 has handled this. If you sat down a couple years ago and wrote down everything you could think of that the Pac could do to kill itself, they did all of them, and even invented some you couldn't imagine.

What were they thinking about on this TV deal? It's just crazy that grown adults could be this ignorant.

Really remarkable.

Think about all the football programs that have cratered after one or two bad coaching hires. This is the same, it’s just that it’s a conference that has had two terrible commissioned hires. The stakes are too high to have that level of bad leading you.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Couple random comments here.

-this has been refreshing to sit back and watch, knowing ISU is not going through what Ore state and WSU are going through.

- the luckiest school in America is Rutgers. if realignment would have happened now, they would be right there with UCONN. It was all about getting to charge the new yorkers for the B10 network via their cable bill at the time.

-Wondering if USC and UCLA are either pressuring the BIG or ticked off that Oregon / Wash are not going to the BigTen. (that we know) Who knows, but I would be miffed if I joined a league and was left on an island like they are. But I am sure they were informed of the direction when they signed up.

-The PAC is in a much different boat than we were on realignments. We are in the central of the country and had expansion options. The Pac12's only options are MWC or plucking B12 schools. Thats it. There is hardly any penalty for teams leaving, and they have nothing for a TV deal. I really don't see how they survive this.

BEST Case scenario is a media partner throws the pac a 5 year deal very soon (or something), They get everyone to stay and replace CU with San Diego St. but I don't think this is going to happen or it would have already.

The Pac would have to take 4-6 MWC schools and would most likely lose their P5 status. I can't see ASU, Cal, Stanford, WSU, OSU being the flagships of a P5 league. Just like ISU, KSU, OSU, KU wouldn't be for the B12.

-the last shoe to drop would be what happens to the ACC. Survive or get picked apart?


crazy world we live.....

What has killed the PAC is that the TV networks figured out that the PAC isn't needed as far as the evening/late night time slots go. If the Big 12 can get 4 teams both the B1G and PAC own end to end gameday coverage and possibly some Friday night slots as well.

 

[cyfan92]

Can someone relink the Colorado Board meeting?

4 pm central, right?

 

[dafarmer]

Can't keep up with the posts on here, need a break.