Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[alarson]

1,000 pages

lets go.

CF long-haulers, whats the longest thread we've ever had?

Longest thread I can find that hasnt been nuked like that old megathread was is this one

Iowa Football Recruiting

I thought we were having a nice year, but the Hoks are putting together a monster class with some stud athletes.

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[HFCS]

You have to wonder if part of the impetuous for Colorado moving now is concern for what happens when the ACC blows up and Oregon and Washington jump to Big 10. In that scenario Colorado might not have had a seat at the Big-12 table. By doing things now they are in.

Rank these choices:

Colorado
Arizona
ASU
Utah
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Pitt
Syracuse
VaTech
NCState
Boston College
Louisville
------
UConn

I'd still take Colorado in my top 4 B12 adds but it's not a slam dunk. I didn't include the schools that will get a serious look from Big10/SEC or that the B12 would probably pass on.

 

[laminak]

Years ago there was a mega thread with tens of thousands of posts that literally had to be deleted because it was causing instability for the entire site.

It was probably another realignment thread or a coaching change thread. Those two topics get many antsy on this site.

 

[RezClone]

The cultural angle seems emotional, ergo illogical. And isn’t a thing for those making decisions. Some talked about 600lb gorillas at the state level… TX and BU come to mind, as well as OK for OSU. And the only one successful of the three was BU. And those states have different responsibilities than anything we talk about in regards to college athletics.

We are on a site with fanatics in its name… and the need to be culturally aligned fits the name, cause that isn’t reality.

If School X of Y culture can get full shares with an offer from a conference that conference isn’t looking at culture.

NOT TRYING TO CAVE, but apart from the relevancy of "feelings" on cultural alignment and debating its relevance...

Doesn't California have very real law(s) that are meant to discourage, or at least prohibit public money being used by California public universities that wish to travel for competition in states that have laws they find particularly objectionable?

(States with laws, for better or worse, like some you might find in TX, OK, IA, KS, FL, WV etc...now or in the forseeable future?)

 

[HFCS]

I don't think the B10 wants or will want Oregon and Wash. They have their west coast brands. They will save any remaining spots in conference for ND (+Stan potentially) and east coast schools like Virginia and North Carolina when the ACC explodes in a few years. I think there's a legitimate chance that either or both Oregon and Wash end up in the BXII in 2024

People who think Ore/Washington are USC/UCLA "travel partners" need to travel the west coast.

Every Pac team always only had one travel partner for the entire history of Pac 10. They've never been close to anybody. The MWC actually will make more geographic sense than Pac did if they add WSU/OreSt.

 

[Acylum]

Rank these choices:

Colorado
Arizona
ASU
Utah
-------
Pitt
Syracuse
VaTech
NCState
Boston College
Louisville
------
UConn

I'd still take Colorado in my top 4 B12 adds but it's not a slam dunk. I didn't include the schools that will get a serious look from Big10/SEC or that the B12 would probably pass on.

You have UConn where they belong. Utah is hard to rank because they have a lot of qualities you’re looking for but the attitudes of their fans and administrators suck.

 

[HFCS]

I agree that Utah fans are almost as insufferable as Iowa fans, but honestly, having the holy war in-conference would be incredibly fun. We put up with Iowa fans all year, we can handle a week of Utah fans every other year.

They hate BYU so bad they've convinced themselves the Big 12 is worse at sports than the MWC. I can barely fathom that.

Cyclone fans don't walk around talking about how Bowling Green is better at sports than Ohio State.

 

[WooBadger18]

But yeah, I love every time I hear them considering SMU.

Not only is it hilarious to see them bring in a religious school...it also means they made a massive mistake not adding Houston years ago or even BYU.

How religious is SMU though? It’s different than Baylor or BYU

 

[HFCS]

You have UConn where they belong. Utah is hard to rank because they have a lot of qualities you’re looking for the the attitudes of their fans and administrators suck.

My lines were conference choice, not my ranking.

If I added 4 of the likely available teams it'd be:
Colorado
Arizona
Pitt
(that fourth spot is really tough but probably another ACC team before doubling up Utah or AZ)

 

[jcyclonee]

Monitarilly is just about what media will pay? If so, that’s all that matters.

Athletically, way more history in FB than anything in the state of Iowa and most (if not all) of the B12 post realignment. These things are cyclical on relevance. As to all other sports way more nattys than ISU.

Cultural issues don’t matter in this. That’s my hill.

As to the issues with the PAC, IMO, the time zone, open slots in that, and it’s own remote region. The eyeballs of the EC matter.

I don't think culture would matter to the Big 12 but it might matter to Cal.

 

[RezClone]

I’m very happy that everyone on here now gets to experience the joy/entertainment of realignment instead of existential dread.

@FriendlySpartan
"Every day is a great day to be a Cyclone...
But some days are just a little bit better than others."
-John Walters (native of Michigan & voice of the Cyclones)

 

[werdnamanhill]

People who think Ore/Washington are USC/UCLA "travel partners" need to travel the west coast.

Every Pac team always only had one travel partner for the entire history of Pac 10. They've never been close to anybody. The MWC actually will make more geographic sense than Pac did if they add WSU/OreSt.

Those do not apply to athletics, as most atheltics funding is from donors and media deals, not from the public.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Rank these choices:

Colorado
Arizona
ASU
Utah
-------
Pitt
Syracuse
VaTech
NCState
Boston College
Louisville
------
UConn

I'd still take Colorado in my top 4 B12 adds but it's not a slam dunk. I didn't include the schools that will get a serious look from Big10/SEC or that the B12 would probably pass on.

I wouldn’t even bother to rank ACC additions at this point because nothing is happening on that front for another decade. Sure, it’s fun to talk about, but it’s irrelevant to what’s going on today.

 

[exCyDing]

Someone please convince me why Stanford or Cal are even mentioned. Having lived in the Bay area for a decade plus, I can honestly say they barely have a heartbeat in terms of media popularity. I don't care about the metro area because fans don't care. No way the media gobbles them up. Hence I'd be utterly shocked if the B12 was in play. Also, people are throwing ideas around with little to no fiscal justification.

Stanford, Cal, SDSU, Tulane, Memphis and a whole host of other schools only get mentioned because the B10 talked about "market size" a whole lot when they started expanding 12 years ago (namely with adding Rutgers and MD). Some posters have trouble understanding why market size would be important for the B10 given their situation, and how the B12's situation is different.

 

[jcyclonee]

Not sure on credibility. Figure this has ACC big boys turning in their seats.

I'm not sure this is breaking news. "More actively" might be a better term to use.

 

[Nolaeer]

Uconn is NOT a "fringe blueblood."
That is the midwestern bias/perspective coming in, which is why we need Uconn and the NE market.

Uconn has won more national titles since 1999 (5) than Kansas, KY, Duke, and UNC.

Calling Uconn a fringe blueblood is akin to calling Bama a fringe blueblood in football.

 

[RezClone]

How religious is SMU though? It’s different than Baylor or BYU

Notably less so, particularly with respect to the recent past.

 

[Triggermv]

Colorado does bridge that gap very nicely

 

[exCyDing]

NOT TRYING TO CAVE, but apart from the relevancy of "feelings" on cultural alignment and debating its relevance...

Doesn't California have very real law(s) that are meant to discourage, or at least prohibit public money being used by California public universities that wish to travel for competition in states that have laws they find particularly objectionable?

(States with laws, for better or worse, like some you might find in TX, OK, IA, KS, FL, WV etc...now or in the forseeable future?)

Yes. However, the law applies to state funds, and AD budgets aren't funded (entirely) by the state. If the ADs are partially funded by the school/state, the workaround is to earmark media money, ticket, merch or donations for "travel expenses." Problem solved.

 

[06_CY]

I can't wait to go to the P12 championship game this year during my Vegas trip. Should be interesting.