Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SEIOWA CLONE]

It will be interesting how this new found media rights money is spent by the Big10 and SEC. Do they have fiscal discipline and use new money selectively on variable expenses like coaches salaries and capital projects/debt reduction? Or do they spend like sailors on their first leave in 6 months?

That fiscal discipline also applies to Big12, ACC and Pac12, albeit to a lesser degree. While the core media rights deals for those 3 conference will be steady (or possibly decline for Pac10) over the next 6-7 years. Each conference will receive an additional $12-$15M annually from the CFP. That's a sizeable amount for AD's go forward to manage their variable costs. And in the Pac10's case, offset getting less in their media deal.

The fanbase of the school to our east has been saying since the media deal for the B10 was announced, that this was going to be a game changer in their favor, I could not disagree more. Most of the schools in the B10 have been pumping money into their FB and MBB for over a decade, they have replaced or rebuilt stadiums and arenas, rebuilt their locker rooms and weight rooms, set up their academic and nutrition centers for athletes, so what more can they do for these programs? Pay coaches more, but there has to be a limit to that. So, most of the money will go into the secondary programs, fully fund and scholarship those programs, build a new wrestling complex or VB complex.

Unless the B10 and SEC schools can increase their number of scholarships they give out or find a way to funnel this extra money into NIL, we are not going to see a huge increase in their FB and MBB programs.

 

[werdnamanhill]

The fanbase of the school to our east has been saying since the media deal for the B10 was announced, that this was going to be a game changer in their favor, I could not disagree more. Most of the schools in the B10 have been pumping money into their FB and MBB for over a decade, they have replaced or rebuilt stadiums and arenas, rebuilt their locker rooms and weight rooms, set up their academic and nutrition centers for athletes, so what more can they do for these programs? Pay coaches more, but there has to be a limit to that. So, most of the money will go into the secondary programs, fully fund and scholarship those programs, build a new wrestling complex or VB complex.

Unless the B10 and SEC schools can increase their number of scholarships they give out or find a way to funnel this extra money into NIL, we are not going to see a huge increase in their FB and MBB programs.

No, it's a massive game changer for FB and MBB. The big donors don't need to donate much, as the increased TV deal $ can cover that. Instead all the big donors just go all in on NIL.

It's unfortunate, but Iowa is about to massively open the gap on us in terms of resources and NIL. Not saying we can't compete, as $ doesn't equal wins, but it's going to be more difficult moving forward for sure IMO.

 

[tzjung]

uconn is coming. That means we need 3. or 1.
Big 12 wont take uconn unless it gets one from the PAC.

Link?

 

[Nolaeer]

Link?

It isn't based on any one article, but many. But the main basis of my belief that Yormark wants the NE market for hoops. WVU and Cinn wont do that alone.

The Big 12 is now operating a camp in NYC, Yormark has had talks with gonzaga and UConn. Yormark has said he cant compete with the SEC or BIG in football, but he want s the best hoops conference and he wants to market it separately.

Uconn does suck in football, but so did ISU and Kansas not so long ago. I think in the big 12, especially with NIL, that Uconn can close the gap. Uconn is a state school. a small state yes, but also one where ESPN is HQed.

Uconn has a large presence in the NYC market. Yormark wants them, but, according to many of the past articles, the big 12 schools ADS do not.

I think yormark will get their blessing if he can pair uconn with a pac school/schools. uconn would also give the Big 12 an eastern pod.

UConn Booster Predicts It's Only a Matter of 'If Not When' Huskies Join Big 12

At least one person around UConn athletics believes it’s only a matter of time before the Huskies join the Big 12 Conference. At Big 12 Media Days on Wednesday, commissioner Brett Yormark said that the conference has a “plan” around expansion but didn’t mention any specific schools. But, he...

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[Clonehomer]

It isn't based on any one article, but many. But the main basis of my belief that Yormark wants the NE market for hoops. WVU and Cinn wont do that alone.

The Big 12 is now operating a camp in NYC, Yormark has had talks with gonzaga and UConn. Yormark has said he cant compete with the SEC or BIG in football, but he want s the best hoops conference and he wants to market it separately.

Uconn does suck in football, but so did ISU and Kansas not so long ago. I think in the big 12, especially with NIL, that Uconn can close the gap. Uconn is a state school. a small state yes, but also one where ESPN is HQed.

Uconn has a large presence in the NYC market. Yormark wants them, but, according to many of the past articles, the big 12 schools ADS do not.

I think yormark will get their blessing if he can pair uconn with a pac school/schools. uconn would also give the Big 12 an eastern pod.

UConn Booster Predicts It's Only a Matter of 'If Not When' Huskies Join Big 12

At least one person around UConn athletics believes it’s only a matter of time before the Huskies join the Big 12 Conference. At Big 12 Media Days on Wednesday, commissioner Brett Yormark said that the conference has a “plan” around expansion but didn’t mention any specific schools. But, he...

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UCONN needs big names from the PAC to join to be worth expanding. They don’t do it on their own regardless of their basketball history. If Arizona, Oregon, or Washington come, I think you can throw in a basketball school and be fine. But adding Colorado and UCONN isn’t going to get it down from a football contract standpoint. Maybe if this were the Colorado of the 90’s, but they just aren’t there anymore.

Otherwise, hold off until you can actually execute your plan to spin off the basketball TV contracts so you can monetize the move.

 

[tzjung]

It isn't based on any one article, but many. But the main basis of my belief that Yormark wants the NE market for hoops. WVU and Cinn wont do that alone.

The Big 12 is now operating a camp in NYC, Yormark has had talks with gonzaga and UConn. Yormark has said he cant compete with the SEC or BIG in football, but he want s the best hoops conference and he wants to market it separately.

Uconn does suck in football, but so did ISU and Kansas not so long ago. I think in the big 12, especially with NIL, that Uconn can close the gap. Uconn is a state school. a small state yes, but also one where ESPN is HQed.

Uconn has a large presence in the NYC market. Yormark wants them, but, according to many of the past articles, the big 12 schools ADS do not.

I think yormark will get their blessing if he can pair uconn with a pac school/schools. uconn would also give the Big 12 an eastern pod.

UConn Booster Predicts It's Only a Matter of 'If Not When' Huskies Join Big 12

At least one person around UConn athletics believes it’s only a matter of time before the Huskies join the Big 12 Conference. At Big 12 Media Days on Wednesday, commissioner Brett Yormark said that the conference has a “plan” around expansion but didn’t mention any specific schools. But, he...

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

I honestly don't think we do. I think we grab Colorado and Arizona and then wait for pending ACC implosion and grab better schools like Pitt and NCST to round out our East Coast grouping.

 

[t-noah]

Have we figured out who’s alt you are yet?

Weird take

I don't mind FriendlySpartan. Although I do not enjoy the B1G or SEC and their new found wealth as I think it is to the detriment of others, FS is harmless and adds inciteful perspective and comments. Besides, the new college landscape is not his fault.

If he wants to talk sports here, it's fine by me. It probably means CF is just a good all around board, and maybe he doesn't get that elsewhere?

 

[CascadeClone]

UConn will get in, but will it be before the ACC craters? Depends on how (if) the PAC cookie crumbles. I do still think the Big12 will eventually be coast to coast, maybe 24 teams with leftovers from PAC and ACC. 'Cuse and LVille wont look great except to a bball heavy conference/league.

Also wrt to Oregon and Washington... they are the best of the PAC but if you take them they will always be looking to the B1G and rumors will swirl every year. Maybe best to pass on them in the name of staying cohesive.

 

[isucy86]

No, it's a massive game changer for FB and MBB. The big donors don't need to donate much, as the increased TV deal $ can cover that. Instead all the big donors just go all in on NIL.

It's unfortunate, but Iowa is about to massively open the gap on us in terms of resources and NIL. Not saying we can't compete, as $ doesn't equal wins, but it's going to be more difficult moving forward for sure IMO.

Iowa already generates $35M more in revenue than ISU. Texas generates $130M more. So while more money is an advantage it's no guarantee of wins.

NIL will evolve and at some point I feel pay-for-play will be reigned in OR athletes will be made employees and salary regulated by the conference.

In college hoops, once the NBA allows HS players to be drafted, it could create an immediate NBA path for the top 25-30 HS players. Plus groups like Overtime Elite are attracting a handful of top HS age kids.

 

[isucy86]

UCONN needs big names from the PAC to join to be worth expanding. They don’t do it on their own regardless of their basketball history. If Arizona, Oregon, or Washington come, I think you can throw in a basketball school and be fine. But adding Colorado and UCONN isn’t going to get it down from a football contract standpoint. Maybe if this were the Colorado of the 90’s, but they just aren’t there anymore.

Otherwise, hold off until you can actually execute your plan to spin off the basketball TV contracts so you can monetize the move.

IMO if the Big12 wants to monetize adding UConn, it needs to add UConn ASAP to help establish their P5 value to the TV networks in football and solidify their standing as a blue-blood in MBB & WBB.

It's just a matter of what ESPN/FOX are willing to pay for UConn. Between the conference TV and 12 team playoff money, UConn can join Big12 at a pretty hefty discount.

 

[isucy86]

I honestly don't think we do. I think we grab Colorado and Arizona and then wait for pending ACC implosion and grab better schools like Pitt and NCST to round out our East Coast grouping.

The Big12 is a 12 team conference. If there is a P3 the Big12 will be 20-24 teams. So as long as ESPN/FOX see value to CU, UA, UU, ASU, UConn or Gonzaga- I think the Big12 adds sooner vs. waiting

I'd hate in 6 or 10 years for the Big12 to be in the same spot as the Pac12, regretting not taking a UConn, UU, CU, etc. when the opportunity was there. I think Yormark's strategic realignment goal is to make sure there is a P3 and not P4 in a decade.

 

[Clonehomer]

IMO if the Big12 wants to monetize adding UConn, it needs to add UConn ASAP to help establish their P5 value to the TV networks in football and solidify their standing as a blue-blood in MBB & WBB.

It's just a matter of what ESPN/FOX are willing to pay for UConn. Between the conference TV and 12 team playoff money, UConn can join Big12 at a pretty hefty discount.

I just don’t see UCONN football ever being P5 level. If they’re added, it’ll solely be based on basketball. And the only way that happens is with a separate basketball contract. Now, maybe you can hide that extra mouth to feed for a while if there are other big football names being added also. But if there aren’t, UCONN needs to stand on their own and not reduce the payouts to the other members.

But I guess that’s really the trick. Does the Big12 think UCONN is valuable beyond a basketball power? I don’t personally think they are but they are the ones in meetings with TV partners.

 

[isucy86]

I just don’t see UCONN football ever being P5 level. If they’re added, it’ll solely be based on basketball. And the only way that happens is with a separate basketball contract. Now, maybe you can hide that extra mouth to feed for a while if there are other big football names being added also. But if there aren’t, UCONN needs to stand on their own and not reduce the payouts to the other members.

But I guess that’s really the trick. Does the Big12 think UCONN is valuable beyond a basketball power? I don’t personally think they are but they are the ones in meetings with TV partners.

Agree UConn should never decrease payouts for other members.

As a G5 the Big12's media pro-rata clause doesn't apply, so how much are FOX and ESPN willing to pay for UConn? $15M, $20M, etc.

For UConn joining the Big12 has 2 financial benefits:

• The conference TV money
• CFP $ which could be $15M+ more annually for being a P5 vs. G5 school.

So UConn would eagerly take a partial payment from ESPN/FOX until the next Big12 TV deal.

If the Big12 or TV partners are concerned about UConn football, there can always be parameters for UConn continuing Big12 membership or a full share member.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

IMO if the Big12 wants to monetize adding UConn, it needs to add UConn ASAP to help establish their P5 value to the TV networks in football and solidify their standing as a blue-blood in MBB & WBB.

It's just a matter of what ESPN/FOX are willing to pay for UConn. Between the conference TV and 12 team playoff money, UConn can join Big12 at a pretty hefty discount.

This is the big advantage of adding UConn, you don’t have to give them a full share because they make so little right now. They would jump just for the bball potential and stability.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I'd be pretty happy with UCONN, UA, CU, and SDSU.

 

[2speedy1]

I'd be pretty happy with UCONN, UA, CU, and SDSU.

We have NO Interest in SDSU. They bring almost nothing. UCONN is a maybe. I read the current hype for them similar to the Zaga hype a few months ago. If everything goes just right we might add them, but that may be in a few more years when we are closer to a new contract, to split the BB money off, so they would bring in more value than right now.

UA, and CU are auto adds simply because they are current P5 schools, there may be more valuable schools out there, but those 2 at least bring probably equal value to us now, and the added western teams helps our time zone push.

 

[Big Daddy Kang]

We have NO Interest in SDSU. They bring almost nothing. UCONN is a maybe. I read the current hype for them similar to the Zaga hype a few months ago. If everything goes just right we might add them, but that may be in a few more years when we are closer to a new contract, to split the BB money off, so they would bring in more value than right now.

UA, and CU are auto adds simply because they are current P5 schools, there may be more valuable schools out there, but those 2 at least bring probably equal value to us now, and the added western teams helps our time zone push.

Who's we? You got a turd in your pocket?

 

[2speedy1]

Who's we? You got a turd in your pocket?

Big 12.... sorry.

 

[WhoISthis]

This is the big advantage of adding UConn, you don’t have to give them a full share because they make so little right now. They would jump just for the bball potential and stability.

Adding a school with 5 MBB titles in 25 years at less than full share is an acceptable addition for a conference wanting to become the basketball conference of a future 3 conference setup. In isolation, they arguably add as much as several PAC targets in which the main value is destabilizing PAC

But I can see the need to whitewash their addition by adding them with P5 (same with SDSU). If UConn was in addition to 3 or 5 PAC, it’s better optics

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Who's we? You got a turd in your pocket?

Unless that turd is Mr Hankey still don’t think they are a “we” but I’m stealing that phrase