When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[cycloneworld]

The auto makers definitely need to get some lower priced models out. It doesn't help that the American working/middle class has been convinced we need to drive tanks since the late 90s.

There's a world of difference for states with low, mid and high gas prices. I don't blame budget concious Iowans for laughing off an EV currently. If they had $5.50 normal price gas they'd be sprinting towards it like California regardless of their environmental views.

We also need to realize that a lot of our ICE cars are already ridiculously expensive and we've just grown to accept it. The cost of owning a Chevy Tahoe is much more expensive than the vast majority of EVs and nobody thinks of Chevy brand and Tahoe model as an elitist luxury thing.

Add in that most people default to the lowest price or easiest solution. And half flat out don’t give a fvck about destroying our planet.

Many people won’t pay more for renewables. Many people won’t pay more for a vehicle that doesn’t kill the planet. Hell, many people don’t recycle because it’s 30 seconds of extra work to put recyclables in a separate bin.

Mindsets have to change for full adoption. Until then, those who have the means and can help have to lead.

 

[simply1]

That's a solid humble brag

Definitely married up

 

[BCClone]

Looks like I need to check out some other companies.

Off topic question. I've had my credit frozen for a number of years. Do you think that impacts me when a new vehicle gets added to my current insurance?

My insurance agent said credit score is a factor in your premium.

 

[BCClone]

When do we start adding taxes to ice vehicles for the environmental cleanup of gas stations, who nobody seems to want to pay for?

Or just make the stations collect enough money to cover their liability at least.

You mean besides the funds that get deposited for tank issues, at least the last I knew it was like deposit insurance and so much of the tax went into that fund.

 

[simply1]

You mean besides the funds that get deposited for tank issues, at least the last I knew it was like deposit insurance and so much of the tax went into that fund.

You mean besides the funds that get deposited for tank issues, at least the last I knew it was like deposit insurance and so much of the tax went into that fund.

Yeah.

Without going into people who were unknowingly poisoned by undetected leaks.

Washington gas stations are leaking toxins into nearby groundwater

Faulty tanks have caused a $20 billion environmental disaster across the U.S. Who will pay for the cleanup — the stations, oil companies, or you?

crosscut.com

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

I am in no hurry. Technology will get better. If you think big oil will disappeat, they will be selling a different type of energy. The improvement in the power grid will cost billions, tax to hook up your vehicle will help do that and help pay for roads. Gas and ice engines will get bigger taxes also. I am guessing timers will be built into these charging stations, because you have to spread out the demand for juice or bad things happen. My electric hot water heater will not work very well if demand is to high in the late afternoon to early evening. Let the fun begin.

 

[BCClone]

Yeah.

Without going into people who were unknowingly poisoned by undetected leaks.

Washington gas stations are leaking toxins into nearby groundwater

Faulty tanks have caused a $20 billion environmental disaster across the U.S. Who will pay for the cleanup — the stations, oil companies, or you?

crosscut.com

Looks like Washington doesn’t have what Iowa has. Win for Iowa.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I am in no hurry. Technology will get better. If you think big oil will disappeat, they will be selling a different type of energy. The improvement in the power grid will cost billions, tax to hook up your vehicle will help do that and help pay for roads. Gas and ice engines will get bigger taxes also. I am guessing timers will be built into these charging stations, because you have to spread out the demand for juice or bad things happen. My electric hot water heater will not work very well if demand is to high in the late afternoon to early evening. Let the fun begin.

Am I the only one that hears “billions” and it affects me in the same way as “hundreds of thousands”?

Billions seems like tiddlywinks at this time. That’s an automatic “GO” for me. Wake me up when something is going to cost trillions.

 

[BACyclone]

Am I the only one that hears “billions” and it affects me in the same way as “hundreds of thousands”?

Billions seems like tiddlywinks at this time. That’s an automatic “GO” for me. Wake me up when something is going to cost trillions.

In a word, yes.

The current grid can barely handle existing demand, and limitations on building out new supply are...ridiculous.

So, the rhetorical flourish to minimize the need to supply electricity for this transition to all-electric vehicles is...creative.

In truth: "billions" is quite likely a very, very wildly conservative estimate. To gain real acceptance, the electric alternative has to compete with ICEs not just on pure cost, but also on the capability, ease/speed of recharge, and the extensive and prevalent network of charging points along routes that petrol has built out over decades.

And this doesn't even open the can of worms related to storage technology, availability and mining of rare earth minerals, etc.

 

[HFCS]

I am in no hurry. Technology will get better. If you think big oil will disappeat, they will be selling a different type of energy. The improvement in the power grid will cost billions, tax to hook up your vehicle will help do that and help pay for roads. Gas and ice engines will get bigger taxes also. I am guessing timers will be built into these charging stations, because you have to spread out the demand for juice or bad things happen. My electric hot water heater will not work very well if demand is to high in the late afternoon to early evening. Let the fun begin.

I’m not sure there’s any reason for this kind of concern other than fear of any change.

We have lots of ways to create electricity and several of them are limitless and available everywhere on earth. That’s a massive difference and advantage over refining oil into gasoline in the long run.

Everybody already has the basic infrastructure to have a fuel station inside their home. That’s actually a big advantage were we starting from scratch.

People tend to charge overnight which is ideal for the grid.

When I moved to socal 9 years ago we had frequent electricity blackouts in the summers, the grid was only 20% renewable, and nobody had EVs. Now the grid is something like 50-60% renewable, you can’t spit without hitting an EV because they are super common everywhere, and I haven’t had a single power outage three years in a row. My personal experience is kind of the opposite of these fears, it could change because 10% EVs in my neighborhood is different than 70%, but so far the dependability and renewable makeup of the grid has improved a lot as EVs have become common/popular around me.

 

[HFCS]

In a word, yes.

The current grid can barely handle existing demand, and limitations on building out new supply are...ridiculous.

So, the rhetorical flourish to minimize the need to supply electricity for this transition to all-electric vehicles is...creative.

In truth: "billions" is quite likely a very, very wildly conservative estimate. To gain real acceptance, the electric alternative has to compete with ICEs not just on pure cost, but also on the capability, ease/speed of recharge, and the extensive and prevalent network of charging points along routes that petrol has built out over decades.

And this doesn't even open the can of worms related to storage technology, availability and mining of rare earth minerals, etc.

See post I just made. I can’t pretend to know anything about mining for batteries but my grid dependability has actually improved A LOT as EVs have gone main stream. I’m in a ten unit townhouse complex. We have 14 cars in the ten garages and 5 of them are EVs or phev. This isn’t out of line with the neighborhood in general. Everybody and their dog got an EV or phev when gas hit $7. The grid used to blackout all the time here and it hasn’t gone out in three years as these EVs have become very common.

I’m fascinated that some day a fully charged EV could easily power a home when there is a blackout, like everybody having a backup by way of their car or truck.

 

[BACyclone]

Why America's outdated energy grid is a climate problem

The transmission system in the U.S. is a major problem because it is old and because it is not set up for energy systems of the future.

www.cnbc.com

U.S. Midwest may have summer power shortages for years

The power grid operator in the Central United States warned on Friday that problems it may experience keeping the lights on this summer could also occur during the summers of 2023, 2024 and beyond.

www.reuters.com

What's the risk for blackouts in the Midwest energy grid?

University of Wisconsin-Madison professor emeritus of electrical engineering Chris DeMarco discusses the high risk of energy emergencies and possible blackouts in the Midwest grid following a report from the North ...

pbswisconsin.org

 

[HFCS]

Why America's outdated energy grid is a climate problem

The transmission system in the U.S. is a major problem because it is old and because it is not set up for energy systems of the future.

www.cnbc.com

U.S. Midwest may have summer power shortages for years

The power grid operator in the Central United States warned on Friday that problems it may experience keeping the lights on this summer could also occur during the summers of 2023, 2024 and beyond.

www.reuters.com

What's the risk for blackouts in the Midwest energy grid?

University of Wisconsin-Madison professor emeritus of electrical engineering Chris DeMarco discusses the high risk of energy emergencies and possible blackouts in the Midwest grid following a report from the North ...

pbswisconsin.org

I’m just reporting from the ground in area that used to have frequent blackouts but hasn’t for three years and an area where 10-15% of the cars might already be EVs. Maybe it’s an illusion, so far things are actually improving A LOT in terms of me actually losing power in my real life I observe with my own five senses.

Could be fools gold but so far my regional grid is doing better despite explosion in EV use.

California is less likely to experience rolling blackouts in 2023, energy officials say | abc7news.com

California%20energy%20leaders%20say%20the%20state%20is%20less%20likely%20to%20experience%20rolling%20blackouts%20in%202023.

abc7news.com

 

[cycloneG]

"Widespread smart charging can reduce the strain on the grid by controlling when EVs charge—during the day when alternative energy availability is highest and late at night when overall demand is lowest. Smart charging also can control the rate at which EVs charge, reducing energy used based on its availability. By leveling the demand for power, smart charging can avert this short-term crisis until upgrades to the grid and additional clean energy sources come online."

Can The U.S. Electric Grid Handle The Load From EV Charging?

Are electric vehicles a threat to the stability of the electricity grids in the United States?

www.forbes.com

 

[HFCS]

"Widespread smart charging can reduce the strain on the grid by controlling when EVs charge—during the day when alternative energy availability is highest and late at night when overall demand is lowest. Smart charging also can control the rate at which EVs charge, reducing energy used based on its availability. By leveling the demand for power, smart charging can avert this short-term crisis until upgrades to the grid and additional clean energy sources come online."

Can The U.S. Electric Grid Handle The Load From EV Charging?

Are electric vehicles a threat to the stability of the electricity grids in the United States?

www.forbes.com

People definitely don’t have to stress about the first 5-10% of adoption because of things like this already working. 70% adoption? I have no clue and it’s too far in the future for even an expert to be sure. 5-10% EVs on the road I am living among now and everything is fine or improved.

 

[AllInForISU]

As an electrician, I’m happy I have job security with these EV chargers going in. As a consumer, they have a long way to go for me to get one of these vehicles. Full EV seems like a bad idea. I could get on board with a hybrid option if I had to.

 

[keepngoal]

As an electrician, I’m happy I have job security with these EV chargers going in. As a consumer, they have a long way to go for me to get one of these vehicles. Full EV seems like a bad idea. I could get on board with a hybrid option if I had to.

EVs aren't for everyone, but they could be for most anyone. What makes an EV bad idea for you? What do they have to do to be where you would consider?

 

[CascadeClone]

Why America's outdated energy grid is a climate problem

The transmission system in the U.S. is a major problem because it is old and because it is not set up for energy systems of the future.

www.cnbc.com

U.S. Midwest may have summer power shortages for years

The power grid operator in the Central United States warned on Friday that problems it may experience keeping the lights on this summer could also occur during the summers of 2023, 2024 and beyond.

www.reuters.com

What's the risk for blackouts in the Midwest energy grid?

University of Wisconsin-Madison professor emeritus of electrical engineering Chris DeMarco discusses the high risk of energy emergencies and possible blackouts in the Midwest grid following a report from the North ...

pbswisconsin.org

Our record of taking care of these kind of large, difficult, expensive problems BEFORE they are a problem is poor. But our record of getting them fixed eventually is pretty good. That said, one reason I put solar on the house was case of grid issues in the midwest...

"Winston Churchill once famously observed that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else."

 

[cycloneG]

Pretty cool tech coming from Toyota

Toyota teases solid-state battery breakthrough and 600-mile EV range as it adopts Tesla's gigacasting

Toyota teased the specs of its next generation of electric vehicles coming in 2026, and they'd apparently be able to cover 600+ miles on a charge thanks to new high-density batteries. Not only that, but Toyota will have cheap $25,000 EVs along for the ride, as well as electric cars powered by...

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[HFCS]

As an electrician, I’m happy I have job security with these EV chargers going in. As a consumer, they have a long way to go for me to get one of these vehicles. Full EV seems like a bad idea. I could get on board with a hybrid option if I had to.

I quoted level 2 charger for my next car and it is a bit of work bringing it down to a lower level garage that doesn’t have it. My parents clothes dryer is on the other side of the wall where their charger would be and seems like easiest job possible.

A phev doesn’t need anything more than an iPhone and if your garage has a light or opener you’re probably set.

I love seeing local solutions for people who have no garage or even no driveway. Some people just dragging extension cord across a lawn. One house built a little station on curb that looks like a mailbox, I assume it has a code.

A huge % is gas price which makes Iowa the furthest away. $7 gas and people find a way at light speed.

People getting a tax credit for hiring you has to help business. For charger install I have $400 state, $500 local and some local dealers offer to pay part of it too.