When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 39 5.5%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 128 18.1%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 169 23.9%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 363 51.4%

  • Total voters
    706
I didn't say they have no environmental impact. I said EV's sound great if you don't factor in the environmental cost of their batteries.

And that's not even mentioning the cost of creating more electricity to charge them

On the one hand you won’t get the huge fuel cost savings in Iowa on electric over gas that most other states have because of Iowa’s socialist low gas prices.

On the other hand the electricity in the state is often among the highest % renewable in the US because of Iowa wind energy.

Iowans have close to if not the cleanest fuel for EVs, but they have the cheapest gas which naturally will make Iowa the last state to embrace EVs.
 
Isn’t some of that for a long term owner leveled out with lack of a transmission and just much simpler engine with far less maintenance in lots of ways? In the 90s a reason GM fought so hard to kill their own EV1 was that they’d lose out on their maintenance industry.

I think back on all the costs I’ve hat w cat converters and now people are stealing them even.
I have heard some experts say it wouldn't be unreasonable for an EV to last 30 years because EV power train has far, far fewer parts. But at this point it also sounds like owners will have to replace battery pack at around 10 years and that is a huge investment ($10k? minimum).

I love the idea of self driving technology, I like the idea of an electric engine, I am indifferent about the "environmental/political" aspect of EV's today. I am not convinced the required mining and sourcing country issues for EV's is any better than the climate change and sourcing country issues with ICE.

Not saying climate change isn't a concern, but there are at least 20 other lifestyle choices that people make daily that could significantly reduce mankind's climate impact, but we aren't willing to make those changes. Somehow, EV's have become the golden bullet.
 
I have heard some experts say it wouldn't be unreasonable for an EV to last 30 years because EV power train has far, far fewer parts. But at this point it also sounds like owners will have to replace battery pack at around 10 years and that is a huge investment ($10k? minimum).

I love the idea of self driving technology, I like the idea of an electric engine, I am indifferent about the "environmental/political" aspect of EV's today. I am not convinced the required mining and sourcing country issues for EV's is any better than the climate change and sourcing country issues with ICE.

Not saying climate change isn't a concern, but there are at least 20 other lifestyle choices that people make daily that could significantly reduce mankind's climate impact, but we aren't willing to make those changes. Somehow, EV's have become the golden bullet.

Let’s say that maintenance trade off covers even half of the 10k of a battery.

In 2022 I mostly fueled my phev with 1.30 electric at home (didn’t even need level 2 charger) when gas prices were $5-7 all year where I live…that’s a huge fuel savings. It’s a complex issue but I think the cost battle may be close to EV’s favor depending on where someone lives.

On low cost high mpg economy cars I think the starting price likely still makes an EV more expensive even in areas w high gas, but something like RAV4 phev vs rav4 I think more than pays for itself in a high gas price area.

Tesla needs to be compared w bmw/mercedes/Acura/lexus, not a Hyundai Elantra, and I’m sure it’s cheaper than those w fuel cost. The other high end ev brands don’t seem so.

Living in CA I don’t think I could ever own an ICE suv or truck that wasn’t at least a hybrid, the amount of $ flushed on gas would be nuts.
 
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Stumbled on to classic Motorweek on the YouTube.

The 1982 Pontiac 1000.

0-60 in THIRTY seconds, but at least you average 25 MPG.

Suck on that, Tesla!


I love that all of these old motorweek episodes are on youtube! Its crazy to see how drastically performance has changed all these years later.

Still remember our little chevy cavalier for drivers ed - if you floored it on the entrance ramp to I35 in Ankeny you barely got up to 55mph by the time you needed to merge haha!
 
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I have heard some experts say it wouldn't be unreasonable for an EV to last 30 years because EV power train has far, far fewer parts. But at this point it also sounds like owners will have to replace battery pack at around 10 years and that is a huge investment ($10k? minimum).

I love the idea of self driving technology, I like the idea of an electric engine, I am indifferent about the "environmental/political" aspect of EV's today. I am not convinced the required mining and sourcing country issues for EV's is any better than the climate change and sourcing country issues with ICE.

Not saying climate change isn't a concern, but there are at least 20 other lifestyle choices that people make daily that could significantly reduce mankind's climate impact, but we aren't willing to make those changes. Somehow, EV's have become the golden bullet.
Lets just assume you drive a gas car that gets 25 mpg an average of 12k miles a year and figure on an average of $3 gas. Over that 10 years you've spent almost $15k in gas granted electricity isn't free by any means but the end cost to you isn't this giant gap that people seem to think it is. Now obviously that's different for a car that gets better mileage or for somebody who drives more but battery prices are going down, significantly in some cases and new chemistries get proven out. The number that keeps getting thrown around at work by the battery guys is they expect that battery costs per kW-h of storage capacity to be about half of what it is today by the end of the decade. I think that assuming that a lithium ion battery is the peak of battery technology and will never get better is really short sighted. You're already seeing that switch with Tesla and Ford moving from Lithium-Ion batteries to a Lithium-iron-phosphate battery. Those LFPs don't use nickel or cobalt at all in them and are more resistant to battery degradation than a Lithium-ion battery.
 
I love that all of these old motorweek episodes are on youtube! Its crazy to see how drastically performance has changed all these years later.

Still remember our little chevy cavalier for drivers ed - if you floored it on the entrance ramp to I35 in Ankeny you barely got up to 55mph by the time you needed to merge haha!

My ‘96 Chevy cavalier had a turbo button to warp speed. (Button that turned off ac)
 
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. But at this point it also sounds like owners will have to replace battery pack at around 10 years and that is a huge investment ($10k? minimum).
Where did you hear this? The latest research shows that after 10 years the battery lose between 5-10%. So now that 330 mile range is down to 300 miles after 10 years.
 
Lets just assume you drive a gas car that gets 25 mpg an average of 12k miles a year and figure on an average of $3 gas. Over that 10 years you've spent almost $15k in gas granted electricity isn't free by any means but the end cost to you isn't this giant gap that people seem to think it is. Now obviously that's different for a car that gets better mileage or for somebody who drives more but battery prices are going down, significantly in some cases and new chemistries get proven out. The number that keeps getting thrown around at work by the battery guys is they expect that battery costs per kW-h of storage capacity to be about half of what it is today by the end of the decade. I think that assuming that a lithium ion battery is the peak of battery technology and will never get better is really short sighted. You're already seeing that switch with Tesla and Ford moving from Lithium-Ion batteries to a Lithium-iron-phosphate battery. Those LFPs don't use nickel or cobalt at all in them and are more resistant to battery degradation than a Lithium-ion battery.

Now do $5 gas. EVs aren’t booming in CA because everybody is an altruistic tree hugger. It’s the math.
 
Where did you hear this? The latest research shows that after 10 years the battery lose between 5-10%. So now that 330 mile range is down to 300 miles after 10 years.
If the LI batteries in cars are like iPhone LI batteries, you know 5-10% is way off.
 
Now do $5 gas. EVs aren’t booming in CA because everybody is an altruistic tree hugger. It’s the math.
California is a bit of an outlier for gas prices, for now, so I was trying to be somewhat in the middle of the road with that estimate. I agree though it comes down to cost per mile to drive your vehicle, it won't be long before fuel costs mean more people moved to hybrids and BEVs.
 
If the LI batteries in cars are like iPhone LI batteries, you know 5-10% is way off.


"Early data from newer Model 3 and Model Y vehicles also show strong capacity retention of less than 10% after 100,000 miles and less than 15% after 200,000 miles, but not many vehicles have reached those mileages just yet.

Either way, the data shows that the average battery capacity retention stays well within Tesla’s guaranteed capacity in its vehicle warranty."
 
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Now do $5 gas. EVs aren’t booming in CA because everybody is an altruistic tree hugger. It’s the math.
When you take out the political nonsense attached for no reason and strictly look at EV performance and use cases, they economically start to make sense for a lot of people looking to buy new(-er) cars. Especially when paired with a hybrid or normal ICE second car.
 


"Early data from newer Model 3 and Model Y vehicles also show strong capacity retention of less than 10% after 100,000 miles and less than 15% after 200,000 miles, but not many vehicles have reached those mileages just yet.

Either way, the data shows that the average battery capacity retention stays well within Tesla’s guaranteed capacity in its vehicle warranty."

ICE lose mpg at similar rates or worse if I’m not mistaken.
 
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If the LI batteries in cars are like iPhone LI batteries, you know 5-10% is way off.
The batteries in cars have a cooling system to keep battery temps down when they're charging where as your phone doesn't. The heat during charging causes micro fractures in the cells and that's what causes your phone battery to go to hell.
 
When you take out the political nonsense attached for no reason and strictly look at EV performance and use cases, they economically start to make sense for a lot of people looking to buy new(-er) cars. Especially when paired with a hybrid or normal ICE second car.

Globally some countries have a different environmental concern. Somewhere like India has to consider just breathing before they get to climate change.

We got our ice air pollution moving in right direction decades ago (well managed, not totally solved), if people were walking outside and choking/getting sick it’d be closer to home.
 
California is a bit of an outlier for gas prices, for now, so I was trying to be somewhat in the middle of the road with that estimate. I agree though it comes down to cost per mile to drive your vehicle, it won't be long before fuel costs mean more people moved to hybrids and BEVs.

Yeah Iowa will be last to see savings w ethanol situation. Still any random global issue can spike it.
 

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