Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

That's kind of it. At some point, it becomes an NFL minor league. Those have not, historically, faired all that well.
College football exists now, and performs essentially the same function you're describing, as a minor league for the NFL. And there are plenty of viewers. Why would fans of the SEC be fanatical and numerous now, but not in a separate league with the best cherry picked schools in the country? What's the straw that breaks the camel's back, in that scenario, and causes these fervent fans to stop watching their schools?
 
If you think someone can start a back channel discussion with 20 schools without it getting out, good luck.

Why can’t all sports play in a super conference? Well all schools don’t have the same sports. Not a lot of hockey in the SEC. Super ****** baseball in the northern schools.

How am I not sure about a new media parter? I’m not no one is. What if all the big ten billionaires donate all their money to keep schools in the big ten? You don’t know it won’t happen but you’re just throwing out hypotheticals to try and justify an insane change a decade from now. Hell alot of the SEC could be under water from climate change, tough to play football when your getting crushed by hurricanes all season.
First point, so what if it ends up getting out. OUT got out too, all it did was speed it up. And also would make it even easier for these schools to put their names in.

Second, what does it matter whether all schools play all sports or not. Schools have affiliate members all the time. Not every team in a conference has to play a sport for it to be hosted by that conference. And then if the conference doesnt host the sport they can play affiliated to another.

SEC doesnt host Wrestling, so Mizzu came back to B12 for wrestling. Hell look at the B12 wrestling only a few full members wrestle now. OU will probably too. Only a select few play Hockey in the B1G....so, maybe they continue playing hockey in whatever the B1G turns into. Or maybe they join another wrestling conference if the new super league decides not to host it.

Big 12 has a schools that play sports not hosted by the B12.

Mens: Rifle, Soccer, Gymnastics, Volleyball. Each have schools that play affiliated with other conferences.
Womens: Acro and Tumbling, Beach Volleyball, Lacrosse, and Rifle. Also played as part of another conference.

Hell even Alabama and Tennessee are afiliat members of the B12 in womens rowing.

Even look at the Great B1G they dont even host all the sports their members have, and those members go elsewhere. They will find a way, to play other sports if needed.

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What size do these conferences go to? If they go to 20, what keeps them from splitting back to divisions and be like the east and west now. They have the crappy side and the good side again. Or go to three where one is the low Enders and the blues secure couple easy wins beating up on them. Since they are the crappy group they split pay by division and the crappy side makes less but more then anyplace they could go.
There are a finite number of prime broadcasting slots. Media knows how much they can spend per slot to net a profit. I don't think they particularly care about conference as much as confidence that they can hit the viewership they need to justify the price they paid for the contract.

Count the number of "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" games a conference can generate over the course of the year.

If the B10 can bring in more schools to reassure media to be more confident about the #6 B10 game than the #2 B12 game, then the B10 will expand and the B12 will lose a prime slot.

This is what is happening to the P10 right now. ESPN/ABC and Fox/CBS/NBC feel more confident about viewership numbers for their current SEC/ACC/B12 and B10/B12 assortment than the theoretical "Tier 2" P10 games. (IMHO, the P10 "Tier 1" games bring a lot of value, but not enough to float the conference)

The only other way is to convince someone (e.g. NBC) to add more prime slots.
 
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There are a finite number of prime broadcasting slots. Media knows how much they can spend per slot to net a profit. I don't think they particularly care about conference as much as confidence that they can hit the viewership they need to justify the price they paid for the contract.

Count the number of "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" games a conference can generate over the course of the year.

If the B10 can bring in more schools to reassure media to be more confident about the #6 B10 game than the #2 B12 game, then the B10 will expand and the B12 will lose a prime slot.

This is what is happening to the P10 right now. ESPN/ABC and Fox/CBS/NBC feel more confident about viewership numbers for their current SEC/ACC/B12 and B10/B12 assortment than the theoretical "Tier 2" P10 games. (IMHO, the P10 "Tier 1" games bring a lot of value, but not enough to float the conference)

The only other way is to convince someone (e.g. NBC) to add more prime slots.
I think this is the valid concern long term as the 3rd best conference. The ACC slots will become available and distributed as well.
 
Take the top 8 and merge with maybe

Alabama
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas aTm
Georgia
LSU
Auburn

Pretty lucrative situation
Does that hypothesis assume a constant viewership of the (current) ~70 P5 / ~60 G5 fanbases?

I would wonder about the viewership habits of the remaining P5/G5 teams. No way in hell do I tune into Nebr games simply because they are my closest superleague team.
 
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First point, so what if it ends up getting out. OUT got out too, all it did was speed it up. And also would make it even easier for these schools to put their names in.

Second, what does it matter whether all schools play all sports or not. Schools have affiliate members all the time. Not every team in a conference has to play a sport for it to be hosted by that conference. And then if the conference doesnt host the sport they can play affiliated to another.

SEC doesnt host Wrestling, so Mizzu came back to B12 for wrestling. Hell look at the B12 wrestling only a few full members wrestle now. OU will probably too. Only a select few play Hockey in the B1G....so, maybe they continue playing hockey in whatever the B1G turns into. Or maybe they join another wrestling conference if the new super league decides not to host it.

Big 12 has a schools that play sports not hosted by the B12.

Mens: Rifle, Soccer, Gymnastics, Volleyball. Each have schools that play affiliated with other conferences.
Womens: Acro and Tumbling, Beach Volleyball, Lacrosse, and Rifle. Also played as part of another conference.

Hell even Alabama and Tennessee are afiliat members of the B12 in womens rowing.

Even look at the Great B1G they dont even host all the sports their members have, and those members go elsewhere. They will find a way, to play other sports if needed.

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Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
 
Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
All I am saying is never say never. This is what my entire point is.

I never thought the Big 12 would let Mizzou back in for wrestling, but here they are. OU is expected to pursue affiliate membership for wrestling too. Where are USCLA going to play beach volleyball? Did their presidents worry about that since you believe the Presidents worry about these sports that might not be hosted or in fact not hosted by the new conference. No....they know they will figure it out one way or another. Did the SEC not having wrestling stop OU from jumping there? What did that President think? Apparently not about OU wrestling. But you still think that the possibility the new super conf might not have a sport like Hockey, it would stop it. Hell if there were enough members in Hockey in the new conf, I would guess they could sponsor it. It really only takes a few. Baseball? If 99% of the teams play baseball, I would guess they would sponsor it. But I guess you are worried you might have to play a southern team...well join the club.

But besides that, there are alternative places for all the sports and then some that the members play, if for some reason the new conference decides to not host certain ones. They would not have to play in the B1G for anything.

I think you miss the point that all of these are hypotheticals that "could" happen, not "will" happen. And a sure way to get blind sided is to say "NEVER".

I know you and gonzo were pretty adamant that NO Pac 12 schools would join the B1G, too. I mean really adamant, when it was suggested a few months before it actually happened. You both repeatedly said it would "NEVER" happen. And here we are. All I am saying is none of us know what the future holds and trying to say these schools dont or wont chase every dollar they can as they all have shown is the most important factor is really short sighted.

B1G people are the only ones I talk to that think this way, even SEC people realize anything can happen, from unequal revenues to a breakaway conference to a lot more realignment. But B1G people just sit there and repeatedly say never this never that. Pac 12 people used to be this way, now they have had a rude awakening.
Will these things happen, Maybe, maybe not. Maybe something totally different happens, or nothing at all. But sitting there with your arms crossed saying nothing will ever change is going to get you proven wrong, Because I guarantee things will change, and that includes the B1G.
 
If big brands do end up going independent, where does this reach a point where schools just boycott playing games against the big dogs? It sounds crazy, but think about it. Schools go independent ala Notre Dame, but if other schools band together and refuse to play the games to make the big boys rich it creates chaos. This environment will continue to shift and create more separation between the haves and have nots, until the NCAA or some entity steps in and enforces rules and guardrails. Hopefully the new ncaa president will set the wheels in motion towards this.

Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
 
Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
I’m almost at the point that the more adamant you are something won’t happen in realignment, the more sure I become!
 
If big brands do end up going independent, where does this reach a point where schools just boycott playing games against the big dogs? It sounds crazy, but think about it. Schools go independent ala Notre Dame, but if other schools band together and refuse to play the games to make the big boys rich it creates chaos. This environment will continue to shift and create more separation between the haves and have nots, until the NCAA or some entity steps in and enforces rules and guardrails. Hopefully the new ncaa president will set the wheels in motion towards this.
Honestly they wont care. Because someone will play them, and at that point if no P5 teams agree to play them, in a non con, they will still be able to pay the G5 and FCS to play them, and those schools wont pass up that payday. They need it too much.

I can see that if they make a super conf, or possibly in the near future with the P2, they will have to start paying to play the other P3 or P4 teams outside the B1G and SEC. If the other schools/conferences start realizing it being a way to boost their income to get closer to the Pwr 2 it very well could happen. Just like the P5 pays the G5 and FCS to play now. The P2 may have to pay others.

But with that, the P2 could try to schedule each other as much as possible, avoiding the pay to play games, except for G5/FCS tune ups. They may also decide to increase their conference games and eliminate non con P5 games too. All is yet to be seen, but if the P2 do end up bing 50M+ ahead of even the closest P4/5 conferences, I could very well see those schools start charging to play. Considering that is a larger gap than what the Current P5 is above either the G5 or FCS, and P5 regularly pay to play them now.
 
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Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
The left behinds will be "the NCAA".

And yes they will absolutely keep playing them in bball and the olympic sports. The super team schools wont leave the b1g or sec at all, they will just not participate in football in the conference.

I could be wrong but this outcome is what the money is pushing towards.
Consolidate best inventory for the best slots.
 
Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.
One, the schools would have most of their sports together, the few they didn't, do you think they would care if a couple sports were in the MAC or such? So many conferences have affiliate members that they would find a home. The ACC whores themselves out so they can get a few of the ND football games each year. There is a conference out there that would take them.
 
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I know you and gonzo were pretty adamant that NO Pac 12 schools would join the B1G, too. I mean really adamant, when it was suggested a few months before it actually happened. You both repeatedly said it would "NEVER" happen. And here we are. All I am saying is none of us know what the future holds and trying to say these schools dont or wont chase every dollar they can as they all have shown is the most important factor is really short sighted.

B1G people are the only ones I talk to that think this way, even SEC people realize anything can happen, from unequal revenues to a breakaway conference to a lot more realignment. But B1G people just sit there and repeatedly say never this never that. Pac 12 people used to be this way, now they have had a rude awakening.
Will these things happen, Maybe, maybe not. Maybe something totally different happens, or nothing at all. But sitting there with your arms crossed saying nothing will ever change is going to get you proven wrong, Because I guarantee things will change, and that includes the B1G.
I did? Show me that post please. I don't remember ever saying that no PAC teams would ever join the B1G. I was caught off guard when it actually happened, as I think most were. But I'd heard the rumblings and potential rumors and don't remember ever believing or saying PAC schools to the B1G was something that would "NEVER" happen. If you can show me where I did, I'll kindly eat crow on that one.

I also think you're misinterpreting a bit. I fully recognize that anything "could" happen with regards to revenues and conferences. It's just my "opinion" that the B1G won't ever go to unequal revenue sharing of its TV/media deal (I could see unequal sharing of new CFP payouts based on participation). And it's just my opinion that we'll never see a "superconference" comprised only of the elite programs/brands in college football.

"Could" either happen? Sure. Do I think either will happen? No.
 
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Do you really think that if the top big ten schools left that the rest would be fine with having them play their Olympic sports? It works now because there is still a P5. If a super league is formed those schools effectively end the NCAA and most of college athletics as we know it. The schools left behind won’t let them play their Olympic sports after that.

I don’t think they would be “fine” with it. But also “what are they going to do about it?”
 
The NCAA has nearly completely lost its teeth as a governing body. The only thing holding it together is the tournament money pool. They aren't stopping any change from happening.
That's because the NCAA isn't some independent entity. It's the member schools.
 
All I am saying is never say never. This is what my entire point is.

I never thought the Big 12 would let Mizzou back in for wrestling, but here they are. OU is expected to pursue affiliate membership for wrestling too. Where are USCLA going to play beach volleyball? Did their presidents worry about that since you believe the Presidents worry about these sports that might not be hosted or in fact not hosted by the new conference. No....they know they will figure it out one way or another. Did the SEC not having wrestling stop OU from jumping there? What did that President think? Apparently not about OU wrestling. But you still think that the possibility the new super conf might not have a sport like Hockey, it would stop it. Hell if there were enough members in Hockey in the new conf, I would guess they could sponsor it. It really only takes a few. Baseball? If 99% of the teams play baseball, I would guess they would sponsor it. But I guess you are worried you might have to play a southern team...well join the club.

But besides that, there are alternative places for all the sports and then some that the members play, if for some reason the new conference decides to not host certain ones. They would not have to play in the B1G for anything.

I think you miss the point that all of these are hypotheticals that "could" happen, not "will" happen. And a sure way to get blind sided is to say "NEVER".

I know you and gonzo were pretty adamant that NO Pac 12 schools would join the B1G, too. I mean really adamant, when it was suggested a few months before it actually happened. You both repeatedly said it would "NEVER" happen. And here we are. All I am saying is none of us know what the future holds and trying to say these schools dont or wont chase every dollar they can as they all have shown is the most important factor is really short sighted.

B1G people are the only ones I talk to that think this way, even SEC people realize anything can happen, from unequal revenues to a breakaway conference to a lot more realignment. But B1G people just sit there and repeatedly say never this never that. Pac 12 people used to be this way, now they have had a rude awakening.
Will these things happen, Maybe, maybe not. Maybe something totally different happens, or nothing at all. But sitting there with your arms crossed saying nothing will ever change is going to get you proven wrong, Because I guarantee things will change, and that includes the B1G.
You are 100% right that I shouldn’t be using absolutes like never. Anything very well could happen. When people talk about things like super league as a forgone conclusion they are essentially doing the same thing only they are like the end of days people in that they can’t be proven wrong. If in 10 years from now there is no super league they will just say well it’s obviously coming. 10 years after that they can say the same thing. I’ll try to avoid using absolutes though because again you’re right that we’re entering a new world of cfb but I believe the outcome of permanent unequal revenue sharing from a media deal in the big ten or schools breaking away to form a 16/20 team super league is extremely unlikely.
 
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