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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

AuH2O said:
JFC, Altimore is so dumb.

I’m going to say this for the millionth time, and I want everyone to read it and understand:

The athletic conference in which a school plays has zero impact on research. Zero. It likely has zero impact, particularly in the PAC schools or an ASU feeder program in LA, and interest in such a program. Zero.

Particularly for these PAC schools, athletics is a tiny part of overall revenue. And putting up a satellite campus elsewhere is like half a step beyond their online program.

Just stop Altimore, you’re embarrassing yourself. You were completely wrong so far every step of the way, and random message board idiot has been pointing out why.

He’s like a guy clinging to his wargame model that said Russian flags would be flying in Kiev by now.
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This dude is out there....

 
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Acylum said:
I never really bought into the narrative that the b1g took only USCLA so as not to be seen as the conference that ended the PAC. But if there’s a kernel of truth to that, it makes me wonder if there’s a back alley deal where WAOR torpedo the PAC’s media/GOR deal knowing there’s a soft landing awaiting them in the b1g. I don’t see how that makes the b1g look any less worse since they got the ball rolling, but it sure seems like a lot of people are blaming the B12 for the PAC’s impending collapse.
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Same, I don't think the B10 cares much if it looks like they killed the PAC, it's easy enough to turn that around that they "saved" what they could. For more likely explanations for the pause:
  1. The schools Presidents wanted to pump the brakes.
  2. The networks are tapped out and don't want to pay more right now (also why the PAC's offers aren't great).
  3. No 2 of the remaining schools bring enough value.
  4. Their ultimate goal is ~20 schools and they want flexibility to try to land ND. My ranking for B10 expansion is ND, FSU (or maybe Miami), Stanford, UNC, WA, UVA, OR. The B10 has the luxury of being able to wait to see what they can land of their preferred picks knowing WAOR are there for the taking whenever they want. The B10 is already well ahead of the SEC and goes to market again 3 years before the SEC does.
The B12 is taking the blame because it's not an aspiration conference, but it might end up being the best one available. Also, it's been dysfunctional and perpetually on the verge of collapse for 12 years. Hopefully those days are behind us, but the perception will persist for awhile right along side the notion that nobody plays defense in the B12.
 
Clonehomer said:
Who's option is the additional 2 years? How does a school sign a 5 year GOR with only 2 years of guaranteed tier 1 contract? What happens if Apple (or Amazon) decides not to extend the contract? You're back on the market with potentially a worse deal resulting and you're locked in for another 3 years. No way any school signs a GOR without a guarantee that the money is there.
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Amazon has the option for years 3&4. Having the deals run different lengths is an enormous problem that I'm not sure how they get around. I can't see ESPN accepting a GOR shorter than their part of the deal, and I can't see schools with options signing a GOR without assurances of what they're getting.
 
isucy86 said:
That math ($40M) doesn't make sense. That would mean that those 6 Pac12 teams would add $340M dollars to the Big12's existing deal of $380M.

If that was the case some of those schools would already be in the Big10 or SEC.

Even if there is some "incremental" benefit above the Big12's current $31.7M per school for adding those 6 Pac12 schools, when it gets distributed over 18 teams, the max increase would only be a couple million per school.

And why would the Big12 want to "reopen" it's ESPN/Fox extension? No guarantee ESPN or Fox would match what's already on the table.

I'm pretty sure ESPN has already accounted for any Big12 expansion with it's pro-rata close.

And FOX doesn't have a pro-rata with Big 12, so for Big 12 to expand Yormark is going to need to get Fox to pony up more money OR Yormark is going to need to get Amazon, Apple, etc to fill FOX's void.
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If the PAC 12 teams were worth that kind of money then the PAC 12 would have a TV contract.
 
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AuH2O said:
JFC, Altimore is so dumb.

I’m going to say this for the millionth time, and I want everyone to read it and understand:

The athletic conference in which a school plays has zero impact on research. Zero. It likely has zero impact, particularly in the PAC schools or an ASU feeder program in LA, and interest in such a program. Zero.

Particularly for these PAC schools, athletics is a tiny part of overall revenue. And putting up a satellite campus elsewhere is like half a step beyond their online program.

Just stop Altimore, you’re embarrassing yourself. You were completely wrong so far every step of the way, and random message board idiot has been pointing out why.

He’s like a guy clinging to his wargame model that said Russian flags would be flying in Kiev by now.
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Everyone understands this, except Pac fanboys somehow.

Actually, they do understand that, it's just that they are doing a bunch more feeling around in their grab bag of excuses now when their feelings get hurt that "conference of champions" is an idea in no one's head but theirs.

It's not the Big 12's fault your conference is coming apart dude. Blame USCLA. We actually think there's value out there where others don't.
 
AuH2O said:
JFC, Altimore is so dumb.

I’m going to say this for the millionth time, and I want everyone to read it and understand:

The athletic conference in which a school plays has zero impact on research. Zero. It likely has zero impact, particularly in the PAC schools or an ASU feeder program in LA, and interest in such a program. Zero.

Particularly for these PAC schools, athletics is a tiny part of overall revenue. And putting up a satellite campus elsewhere is like half a step beyond their online program.

Just stop Altimore, you’re embarrassing yourself. You were completely wrong so far every step of the way, and random message board idiot has been pointing out why.

He’s like a guy clinging to his wargame model that said Russian flags would be flying in Kiev by now.
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Cal must be paying him a lot, as he is effectively self sabotaging now. Although I have a feeling he didn’t have much to lose career wise

How far has the PAC fallen so that they see normal major college athletics fan behavior as some organized disinformation campaign. In the case of Utah, I get it, they are faintly removed from mid majors and the apathetic PAC basically the same
 
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AuH2O said:
ASU was one of the first major universities to invest heavily and market purely online degree programs. I know they had a 100% online MBA 15 years ago.
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Only online for residents the PAC12, right? I mean, clearly there is some sort of requirement that people in PAC12 states can only go to those schools.
 
The PAC adding Tulane and SMU wouldn’t be horrible imo.

Further limits ACC options, and long term ACC is the much bigger threat to B12. Maybe they subsidize the Tulane brand enough that we have another option next round
 
AuH2O said:
JFC, Altimore is so dumb.

I’m going to say this for the millionth time, and I want everyone to read it and understand:

The athletic conference in which a school plays has zero impact on research. Zero. It likely has zero impact, particularly in the PAC schools or an ASU feeder program in LA, and interest in such a program. Zero.

Particularly for these PAC schools, athletics is a tiny part of overall revenue. And putting up a satellite campus elsewhere is like half a step beyond their online program.

Just stop Altimore, you’re embarrassing yourself. You were completely wrong so far every step of the way, and random message board idiot has been pointing out why.

He’s like a guy clinging to his wargame model that said Russian flags would be flying in Kiev by now.
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Has anybody let this Altimore clown know that Vanderbilt academics hasn't gone down being in the SEC all these years?
 
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