Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[isucy86]

But why do that? It's just going to p*ss off half the conference and financially reward the schools who are most likely to bolt for a new conference the second it becomes feasible.

I don't think the ACC will be alone when it comes to splitting the 12 team Playoff money. That's too much money for OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, Bama, Texas, Georgia, etc. to not be greedy.

If it's merit based it doesn't just reward FSU, Clemson, etc. it rewards any school that put teams in the Playoff. But payouts could be structured a lot of ways. The FSU AD could push for TV viewership as a merit metric. They could also use weeks in the top 25 ranking as a merit based metric. Conferences could use academics as a merit based payout.

IMO if the majority of the ACC doesn't throw Clemson, FSU, etc. a bone in the next couple years, there is a 100% chance there is no ACC in 2036. If they bend now and bide their time, who knows what CFB will look like in 2030 and then 2036.

 

[Stormin]

I don't think the ACC will be alone when it comes to splitting the 12 team Playoff money. That's too much money for OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, Bama, Texas, Georgia, etc. to not be greedy.

If it's merit based it doesn't just reward FSU, Clemson, etc. it rewards any school that put teams in the Playoff. But payouts could be structured a lot of ways. The FSU AD could push for TV viewership as a merit metric. They could also use weeks in the top 25 ranking as a merit based metric. Conferences could use academics as a merit based payout.

IMO if the majority of the ACC doesn't throw Clemson, FSU, etc. a bone in the next couple years, there is a 100% chance there is no ACC in 2036. If they bend now and bide their time, who knows what CFB will look like in 2030 and then 2036.

The ACC teams would just be giving up money. Giving Clemson and FSU extra money right now will not ensure they will stay in the future. Those teams are stuck until the GOR is up. Then they are gone. Paying them now will not buy their loyalty

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

The ACC teams would just be giving up money. Giving Clemson and FSU extra money right now will not ensure they will stay in the future. Those teams are stuck until the GOR is up. Then they are gone. Paying them now will not buy their loyalty

The ACC teams are in the same boat as the P12 teams, there may be a pathway for some of the teams to move to the SEC and B10, but not all the teams, so why would those teams like Pitt, the Arizona schools and others be willing to give up more than their equal share to keep the conference together, knowing that the moment the SEC and B10 come calling, the better teams will jump?

The only advantage the ACC has over the P12, is the GOR that locks in the teams for another decade, once that gets close to expiring, teams will plan on jumping. Its why we need to offer the Arizona schools now and force the hand of the B10 and SEC, force them to choose Washington and Oregon now, or lose them.

 

[Gonzo]

I don't think the ACC will be alone when it comes to splitting the 12 team Playoff money. That's too much money for OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, Bama, Texas, Georgia, etc. to not be greedy.

If it's merit based it doesn't just reward FSU, Clemson, etc. it rewards any school that put teams in the Playoff. But payouts could be structured a lot of ways. The FSU AD could push for TV viewership as a merit metric. They could also use weeks in the top 25 ranking as a merit based metric. Conferences could use academics as a merit based payout.

IMO if the majority of the ACC doesn't throw Clemson, FSU, etc. a bone in the next couple years, there is a 100% chance there is no ACC in 2036. If they bend now and bide their time, who knows what CFB will look like in 2030 and then 2036.

Giving Clemson and FSU a bigger cut now won't do anything to keep them from bolting when the GoR is up if not before IMO.

 

[CascadeClone]

Yeah, what I would think, but these guys are saying no divisions. So I was wondering what they would do if they didn’t have divisions, because if they do, does it become another west and east set up? Good teams want to play the good teams usually.

Highest ranked play. Think the PAC was gonna do that next year regardless of divisions.

 

[Clonehomer]

But why do that? It's just going to p*ss off half the conference and financially reward the schools who are most likely to bolt for a new conference the second it becomes feasible.

That's why I was saying earlier that this should an option for when the conference gets more than the auto-qualifier. Say you get two teams in the CFP. Take 1/2 that extra money and give it to the two teams in the playoffs. The other half could then be distributed to the remaining 12 teams. I don't think an auto-qualifier alone should get any bonus because that was guaranteed (assuming this is how they distribute that money going forward).

If that money is good enough, that may get teams to consider staying in one of the non-P2 conferences. Definitely not a guarantee, but it might make them at least think about it.

 

[isucy86]

Giving Clemson and FSU a bigger cut now won't do anything to keep them from bolting when the GoR is up if not before IMO.

Maybe not. But do we know what college sports are going to look like in 2035? Is there any guarantee Clemson success in FB will continue to be like the last 10 years? Could be in 2030 that GT or Syracuse has an elite FB program.

I understand people getting excited about uneven distribution, but if the method for distributing is transparent and gives all 14 teams the ability to share in the additional playoff distribution, then maybe it is acceptable for the Pitt, Syracuse, BC & Wake Forests.

Gonzaga gets an uneven distribution from their conference. Same for Boise in the MWC. Historically, Miami got a bigger cut back in its Big East days. Just not a believer that more money automatically creates an advantage on the field/court. Ohio State & Michigan's athletic departments already have $100M more revenue than Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, etc. etc.

 

[simply1]

Maybe not. But do we know what college sports are going to look like in 2035? Is there any guarantee Clemson success in FB will continue to be like the last 10 years? Could be in 2030 that GT or Syracuse has an elite FB program.

I understand people getting excited about uneven distribution, but if the method for distributing is transparent and gives all 14 teams the ability to share in the additional playoff distribution, then maybe it is acceptable for the Pitt, Syracuse, BC & Wake Forests.

Gonzaga gets an uneven distribution from their conference. Same for Boise in the MWC. Historically, Miami got a bigger cut back in its Big East days. Just not a believer that more money automatically creates an advantage on the field/court. Ohio State & Michigan's athletic departments already have $100M more revenue than Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, etc. etc.

Pay for play hasn’t happened yet.

 

[exCyDing]

Giving Clemson and FSU a bigger cut now won't do anything to keep them from bolting when the GoR is up if not before IMO.

And that’s it. FSU and Clemson can’t leave right now, and probably not for at least 8 more years. When they can leave, there’s nothing the ACC could do to entice them to stay. The rest of the conference can choose between losing now and losing later, or just losing later.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Maybe not. But do we know what college sports are going to look like in 2035? Is there any guarantee Clemson success in FB will continue to be like the last 10 years? Could be in 2030 that GT or Syracuse has an elite FB program.

I understand people getting excited about uneven distribution, but if the method for distributing is transparent and gives all 14 teams the ability to share in the additional playoff distribution, then maybe it is acceptable for the Pitt, Syracuse, BC & Wake Forests.

Gonzaga gets an uneven distribution from their conference. Same for Boise in the MWC. Historically, Miami got a bigger cut back in its Big East days. Just not a believer that more money automatically creates an advantage on the field/court. Ohio State & Michigan's athletic departments already have $100M more revenue than Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, etc. etc.

ISU and few other schools were looking down the barrel when the B12 was looking to split up and teams thinking about joining the P12. It was not fun for any of us, so why would Pitt, Syracuse, BC and the other schools give up their share of the conference money now, hoping that Clemson, FSU and others will not jump ship and leave in the future? The only thing keeping those schools in the ACC now is the GOR, once that is almost up, those programs will jump. They can double what they are making now by doing so, even with the buy-in period. It's a fool's errand to think those schools or Washington and Oregon will not join the B10 or the SEC if the offer is made.

No one says out of loyalty to a conference anymore, every school is looking out for themselves, so the B12 should be doing the same thing, if that means sinking the P12, so be it, better them than us.

 

[GoldCy]

The ACC will get votes to dissolve the gor before the end. People talk.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

pitt in the big12 would be ok

 

[Cyclonepride]

If it's WAOR, then everyone else, I think the corner schools are more likely to jump. If there are a couple tiers, what's everyone's bottom dollar? How low would OR St and WA St go to keep the 10 intact?

WA and OR would try to take as much as possible while still keeping everyone in. Let's say their floor is $30m, though. The corner schools could make more in the B12, but it's not worth moving for less than $5m a year, so AZ, ASU and Utah will stay for $27m. The B12 isn't going to take just CO on their own, so they'll take a full regular share of $25m along with Cal and Stanford. That leaves $15m each for WA St and OR St. They don't have much of a choice, but are they really going to be okay with their take being half of their in-state schools? More importantly, would their BOR be okay with that arrangement?

I don't know....would you get on a plane where the flight crew is already wearing parachutes? It's about more than that temporary $3-5 million a year (less).

 

[Clonedogg]

pitt in the big12 would be ok

Another city or directional school?

 

[SCNCY]

Another city or directional school?

City school, yes, but they've been a pretty big brand for a long time. They were independent until 1990; joined the Big East, then joined the ACC. Johnny Majors won a National Title while coaching at the school.

 

[CascadeClone]

Wrt unequal revenue sharing based on performance - like winning, tv viewers, et al...
Isnt that what the big12 (big8?) had back in the day, and helped caused problems? Iirc, the oklahomas and nebbys got more money since they got picked to be on tv more often in the days before every game was on tv.
Doesnt seem like a recipe for long term happiness and stability. Not sure if there is one rn.

 

[Stormin]

City school, yes, but they've been a pretty big brand for a long time. They were independent until 1990; joined the Big East, then joined the ACC. Johnny Majors won a National Title while coaching at the school.

50 years ago almost. Majors gave out 65 to 70 scholarships in his first recruiting class at Pitt. Things changed.

Majors's Success at Pitt Breeds Foes' Suspicions (Published 1973)

www.nytimes.com

 

[MugNight]

Giving Clemson and FSU a bigger cut now won't do anything to keep them from bolting when the GoR is up if not before IMO.

Is there a scenario where the middle tier (NC State, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt) see the writing on the wall with Clemson/FSU and proactively seek out the XII and push to get out? The old, “you can’t fire me, I quit!”

Why would they take a smaller cut of a lower payout when they could take upper middle class payout in a lower ego league? None of those schools are on the shortlist of the B1G or the SEC.

I’m no insider, but I bet there’s anxiety in Chapel Hill and Coral Gables as well.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Watched them on YouTube for about a week. It doesn't take long to figure they don't have a lot of inside info. Just reacting to other media reports and provide a Utah shock jock take.

I chortled. “This woman went to the beach AND TOOK HER SOCKS OFF IN PUBLIC.”

 

[CascadeClone]

Is there a scenario where the middle tier (NC State, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt) see the writing on the wall with Clemson/FSU and proactively seek out the XII and push to get out? The old, “you can’t fire me, I quit!”

Why would they take a smaller cut of a lower payout when they could take upper middle class payout in a lower ego league? None of those schools are on the shortlist of the B1G or the SEC.

I’m no insider, but I bet there’s anxiety in Chapel Hill and Coral Gables as well.

That's a pretty good way to look at it. There's going to be the super-rich, the upper middle class, and abject poverty.

Let's just avoid abject poverty at all costs.