SDSU is not going to save the PAC 12. SDSU is not a team the Big 12 needs or really wants. Big 12 should take Arizona schools for sure. I would take Utah and Colorado as well. None of the possible PAC 12 expansion candidates add as much value to the PAC 12 as those 4 schools lost. 4 Corner schools fit the Big 12 geographically and logistically for travel in Conference play. We need to focus on making the Big 12 better. Do not be obsessed with killing off the PAC 12. That is going to eventually happen.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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SDSU is not going to save the PAC 12. SDSU is not a team the Big 12 needs or really wants. Big 12 should take Arizona schools for sure. I would take Utah and Colorado as well. None of the possible PAC 12 expansion candidates add as much value to the PAC 12 as those 4 schools lost. 4 Corner schools fit the Big 12 geographically and logistically for travel in Conference play. We need to focus on making the Big 12 better. Do not be obsessed with killing off the PAC 12. That is going to eventually happen.
6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
Dissolved or MWC status, same difference in the future.
This all makes sense, and agree for any G5 that any promotion, even for a nickel annual for a decade, is still an upside only proposition.
What will **** your math up is in 2 years when they redo the CFP and they payouts are based on teams invited because the SEC and B1G want it that way.
I don't buy the PAC 12 merger but I do buy this. ESPN was trying to FOMO a few Big 12 schools into joining the American so the following would happen.
1) ESPN retains rights to (would be former) Big 12 teams at a much cheaper price
2) Enough teams would leave the Big 12 to dissolve it which would make OU and UTs exit faster and cheaper
3) Let's ESPN out of the Big 12 television deal
The American commissioner was even asked about it and he responded "no comment". I honestly don't understand how this didn't get more coverage at the time. Bowlsby caught ESPN and the American trying to kill off the Big 12 and threatened legal action through cease and desist. It was the best move for the moment even if it meant souring his relationship with ESPN. He retired at the perfect time so Yormak could come in, tell ESPN the past is in the past and move on, and struck the 3rd best conference media deal. I do agree, Texas A&M spilling the beans probably thwarted that plan enough that the remaining Big 12 was able to sit back and think through everything before just bolting to another league off fear.
But Oregon/Washington and the two Arizona schools are still in the P12, until that is no longer the case, then they are a threat to the B12 future.
If they leave and league folds, the remaining teams will be absorbed by other conferences, which again is good for the B12 and ISU.
When it looked like the B12 was folding, I do not remember too many of the national talking heads really worried about how it would affect ISU, the EIU fans were gloating left and right, about how this would help their program being the only P5 school in the state.
Why should ISU fans now be different, when no one was looking out for us, when it looked like we were one of the schools on the outside looking in?
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Big 12 takes the Arizona schools. They want to leave the sinking ship. That is the first move.
I think when USC/UCLA we’re going to the Big 10, they estimated the value to be 150 million for USC and 50 million for UCLA.
I don’t think there is a single PAC school generating even 40 million at this point.
USC wanted UCLA as a travel partner. Combined they are worth more than the Big ten was pulling on a per team basis, so it was a no brainer. UCLA would never have been invited without USC.
It could happen that payouts will only go to conferences with bids.
But it could also be a hybrid model where every P5 team receives the same payout (aka the $22.5M that funnels through the conference) AND playoff teams earn their conferences payments based on advancement in CFB Playoff.
The Playoff team bonus could be funded by reducing the G5 %. At current % P5 schools would get around $400M. Or the $22.5M per school could be reduced to fund a playoff bonus pool.
A lot of new money will be floating around college FB in a couple years.
This is the real fight that's going to happen. While the 12 team expansion wasn't that important to the non-P2 conferences, the money absolutely is. So having the PAC still in tact for when this gets negotiated is helpful in that it's another vote. I do expect there to be a hybrid model, but I hope the other conferences keep it from being the P2 conferences getting over half the money coming into the playoffs.
So, when this 22.5 hits, we will be around 60MM in payouts to schools? That 15MM more to ISU is going to mean much more than the extra 25-30MM to big ten schools. That’s scheman redone in one year (I know that it won’t just be used for that, but you can throw 5-8MM to Scheman, CY, Cytown and things like that each year and start having other revenue start rolling in. Big ten and SEC have already been flush with cash so there is only so much more you can do.
This is hopefully the end game. PAC at the next contract negotiation ends up G5 Level.
No, its really not. Relegated and dead are 2 very different words that have different meanings. We really gotta be better about word choice with this stuff(myself included)
That would be great, but those monies will probably also be needed for some form of athlete payments, whether that's NIL or athletes receiving employee status.
It's amazing how many moving parts there are in college athletics these days. Being an AD can't be easy.
Why I said 5-8. That gives 7-10MM for that type of stuff. For the #3 conference and below that is some big money.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying have sympathy for the devil here. Should the PAC get real deathed I will be dunking on Utah fans and the PAC media with everyone else.
As for CFB as a whole though it doesn't help. Less voting resistance agaisnt the super 2 and less big games doesnt help the scene at all. Less conferences helps nobody other than them though
IMO Yormark's legacy is going to be close the gap between Big10/SEC and Big12.
That's why he keeps talking about how basketball is undervalued and needs to be valued independently from football. He has also talked about marketing Big12 sports (mainly hoops) internationally.
I also feel if he can financially make sense of adding 6-8 Pac12 schools, that would allow an 18-20 team Big12/Pac to dominate the Western half of US. A lot of states seeing population growth.
interesting, I don’t remember the CA BOR having anything to say about Stanford and USC being tied together.
Ooops… I forgot that poster was horribly wrong on the value of Pac12 members too…. Should have considered the source. Sorry.