Not getting OUT to be the next domino then was the issue. That was the PAC12 super conference kill shoot that missed.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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MHVer is QAnon for realignment
The B12 is pretty far down on the "bad guy" list in the PAC saga. After all, they're the only conference that hasn't poached from another power conference, and each round of expansion has only been in response to being poached by the B10, SEC and PAC.
The PAC did their part by choosing horrible leadership over the past 15 years. They poached form the B12. They had two shots at ending the B12 as a power conference (2010, 2021).
USC nixed the PAC's attempt to kill the B12 in 2021 because they didn't want to extend the GOR for reasons we found out in 2022. They stabbed their conference mates in the back on that one.
B10 has poached from everyone but the SEC, so there's absolutely zero room to criticize there.
The SEC also poached from the B12 and reportedly tried to poach USCLA themselves. Again, no room to criticize.
Hell, even the ACC poached from the old Big East and ended their run as a football conference.
I've said this before, but I don't fault Colorado for leaving. At the time, it looked like the conferences outlook was bleak, and they had an opportunity to leave. And they took it. I would want ISU to do the same if in a similar position.
I'm with you, I don't hold a grudge. They didn't do anything to cause problems in the conference, which can't be said for really any of the other five that have or will be leaving.
I kind of feel bad for them in the current situation. If they'd stuck with the B12, they'd still have a seat at what looks to be the far better table. The B12 might invite them back, but only if they're taking 6 PAC schools.
All of the issues with the conference stems from Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas A&M. Everyone else was just a pawn, and Colorado escaped those issues.
After the last couple days and reading how the Big 12 is talking to 8 P5 and 20+ G5 schools my first thought is of course, he has expressed that we are expanding every G5 with a pulse is going to reach out to the Big 12 to express their interest. That doesnt mean we want any of them. I also feel it is the same way with the P5 schools, talk is just that talk and seeing whether there is a possible option or not. Its not a lot different than what we do here. Talk about the possible outcomes etc. I am sure no one would be surprised if every school not in the Big 10 or SEC reached out to them in the last year just to say "Hi" too.
But I have thought of something:
Yormark has said he wants to get into the Pacific Time zone. But by adding the 4 corner schools it just solidifies our footprint in the Mountain. So if we add the 4 corners to give us the P5 adds we need for the escalator trigger. What do we do to get into the Pacific Time Zone, especially if the B1G then decides to take OR/WA and/or Stan/Cal.
Do we then look at Wazzu/OSU being P5s for the escalator and in the Pacific zone? Do we look at SDSU/Fresno? Do those move the needle enough that as long as we have the escalator from the other 4 corners we are ok? Do we just abandon our push for the Pacific? Does our expansion hopes depend on getting a pair of the PAC Pacific schools in OR/WA/Stan/Cal, in order to complete the western expanse?
But I have thought of something:
Yormark has said he wants to get into the Pacific Time zone. But by adding the 4 corner schools it just solidifies our footprint in the Mountain. So if we add the 4 corners to give us the P5 adds we need for the escalator trigger. What do we do to get into the Pacific Time Zone, especially if the B1G then decides to take OR/WA and/or Stan/Cal.
Do we then look at Wazzu/OSU being P5s for the escalator and in the Pacific zone? Do we look at SDSU/Fresno? Do those move the needle enough that as long as we have the escalator from the other 4 corners we are ok? Do we just abandon our push for the Pacific? Does our expansion hopes depend on getting a pair of the PAC Pacific schools in OR/WA/Stan/Cal, in order to complete the western expanse?
Yes. You can't throw Colorado and Missouri in with those four.
Texas is/was exactly what we all know them to be. Nebraska and A&M thought they were Texas but were mistaken which amplified the problem x3. OU I suspect is the same but kept it a little more hidden and had better media savvy about it all.
Nebraska opposed equal revenue sharing and was so passionate about it they left for a conference where Northwestern gets the exact same cut as Ohio State.
This one's tricky. The AZ schools would be the same as PST since the state doesn't do daylight savings time. They'd be on Pacific Time for the first 10 weeks of the football season, but Mountain for the last 3 weeks and all of basketball season.
I think OR and WA are the hopes as far as full PST schools go. I can't see Cal or Stanford deigning to join the B12 under any circumstances, even if that means they're not in a power conference. They're B10 or bust (and likely bust for now at least).
If WA and OR don't work out, their State alternatives are still better options that SDSU, Fresno St, or any other G5.
He may be an just aggregator of rumors, he may know someone on the AD side. Doesn’t matter. Sometimes he has good info, other times not. It’s on you to discern when and which. That’s difficult for some.
MHver isn’t bothersome- by now he shouldn’t evoke such reaction out of you. Don’t be one of the fools he plays.
I do some remote outdoor adventuring on the Utah/AZ border driving back and forth and it gets confusing what time it is especially when sometimes when your devices automatically update but other times don't have service to update.
That’s not how this type of thing works.
And there are times in which one can be correct at the time, and things not materialize.
People looking for absolutes and sources in realignment threads must be 50+. If you want to be on the bleeding edge of realignment developments, you peddle in such smut as MHver. You won’t get it from a verified source or on record
Missouri isn’t blameless. Texas etc. deserve most of the blame, but Mizzou was openly whoring itself out to get a B1G invite, which seriously destabilized the league further. That invite ultimately went to Nebraska and then Mizzou left anyway.
I have no ill will toward Colorado
We'll accept any school that previously bad mouthed the Big 12, but their presidents must publicly do the Truffle Shuffle to get in.
On a list, from historically worst to least worst, it goes:
Texas & Texas A&M
Nebraska
Oklahoma (they were never outright destroying the league like the others . I think they got scared when a few years ago, the preliminary media numbers were bad)
Missouri
Colorado
Why does everyone give Colorado so much love. They still left. They were known to want to go to the Pac for years before they actually did. They had one foot out the door probably more than anyone for years.
Sure they were not the first to leave, they were not the one that truly started the mess. But they still left.
They have been arrogant jerks about the Big 12 and even some of the officials have said some nasty things recently about the Big 12 schools, continuously sticking their nose in the air about how great the Pac is. They might not be as bad as a couple like Texas and Nebraska, but they still are pretty bad.
Does that mean I would absolutely not take them back. No. Just more fuel to want to kick their ass. Same with Mizzou, Same with Nebby...although less so with Nebby, I love seeing them flounder. But I do wish the Old Big 8 schools were together.
Sure they were not the first to leave, they were not the one that truly started the mess. But they still left.
They have been arrogant jerks about the Big 12 and even some of the officials have said some nasty things recently about the Big 12 schools, continuously sticking their nose in the air about how great the Pac is. They might not be as bad as a couple like Texas and Nebraska, but they still are pretty bad.
Does that mean I would absolutely not take them back. No. Just more fuel to want to kick their ass. Same with Mizzou, Same with Nebby...although less so with Nebby, I love seeing them flounder. But I do wish the Old Big 8 schools were together.
Hahaha hahaha, hahaha hahaha. No, Fresno State isn't on the table. Anyone talking about B12 expansion involving any more G5 schools should immediately be ignored and considered an unreliable source going forward. There is just no way whatsoever adding these schools would make any sense.
Canzano doofus, FSU used to be in the big XII for wrestling, maybe they have talked about them starting it back up?? Think a little before you tweet.
The Pac12 current GOR and media rights agreement expire in June 2024. Other than loyalty, Pac12 schools would seem like free agents.
I would say Yormark is NOT doing his job if he isn't talking to ESPN, FOX, Amazon, Apple, NBC, etc., etc. about willingness to support a 14-20 team Big12. He would then have hard $ to offer. He's just giving Pac12 schools options.
Not like the Pac has viewed Big12 as "off-limits" during prior realignment talks.