Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

I don't even see 20 teams. Are there 8 more teams out there that can bring in an additional $80m each to even be revenue neutral?

I see 18 max per conference.

Clemson - SEC
Notre Dame - Big10
Miami - SEC
North Carolina - Big10

Who else you got unless the member schools are willing to take a cut to make more happen. And I'll believe that when I see it.

USC & UCLA or UT & OU don't have the same values. I have a tough time believing UCLA has more value than Oregon or Washington, but they were able to ride USC's coat tails because of geography.

So if the Big10 can bring in ND, they can make financial sense of adding a UNC, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, etc. Same goes for the SEC conference, adding Clemson or FSU allows them to add a UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc.
 
Not sure I agree that there will be no more promotions. The SEC and BIG are out of that game for sure. The Pac sounds like it needs to so it can increase its inventory for Amazon. ACC will need to once the SEC, Big 10, and maybe the Big 12 take some teams. We still might be doing that too depending on what happens with the PAC. We'll see if Yormark values the timeslot enough to get G5s to fill it out. Something tells me he might.

I do think barring something wild happening that this may be the final chance for G5s to get into a P5. Don't blame someone like SMU for making themselves cheaper to make that happen. If you're a SMU, USF, Boise, Fresno, SDSU, Memphis, etc and you miss out now you better hope the ACC wants you in 10ish years. Because thats the last boat out of town.

The Big12 absolutely is done promoting G5’s unless we get poached again in the future. Just doesn’t add any value. It’s even in the escalator clause in the media deal that expansion needs to be with a P5 school in order to make the same or more per school.
 
I don't even see 20 teams. Are there 8 more teams out there that can bring in an additional $80m each to even be revenue neutral?

I see 18 max per conference.

Clemson - SEC
Notre Dame - Big10
Miami - SEC
North Carolina - Big10

Who else you got unless the member schools are willing to take a cut to make more happen. And I'll believe that when I see it.
I think they'll maaaaaybe get to 20.

You nailed it though on your thoughts though. Returns are going to start diminishing with each team added. Not enough people think about that
 
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USC & UCLA or UT & OU don't have the same values. I have a tough time believing UCLA has more value than Oregon or Washington, but they were able to ride USC's coat tails because of geography.

So if the Big10 can bring in ND, they can make financial sense of adding a UNC, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, etc. Same goes for the SEC conference, adding Clemson or FSU allows them to add a UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc.
Wow. #1 public university and the most NCAA championships than any other school, and it’s not even close doesn’t have value like Oregon and rides USCs coattails? No offense, I beleive you are quite wrong.
 
USC & UCLA or UT & OU don't have the same values. I have a tough time believing UCLA has more value than Oregon or Washington, but they were able to ride USC's coat tails because of geography.

So if the Big10 can bring in ND, they can make financial sense of adding a UNC, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, etc. Same goes for the SEC conference, adding Clemson or FSU allows them to add a UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc.
Sorry, no. Why add 3-4 schools to keep your per-school the same when you could just add 2 and then have more money? That said, I could see the B10 and maybe the SEC each having one scenario where they'd let a school bring a buddy along.

For the B10, that's Notre Dame. Hell, they might let ND name 3 other schools, especially if their choices check other boxes. For example, Stanford would give the B10 another west coast school. Florida St and/or Miami would get them into Florida.

If the SEC values a school outside the south east, they might get a buddy. But I'm not sure I see a lot of great choices outside the Southeast. Maybe they let UNC bring along Duke, but that seems unlikely. They'd give ND the same opportunity as the B10, but I can't see the ND administration ever agreeing to join the SEC under any circumstance. They'd sooner shut down their football program.
 
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As long as Notre Dame has playoff access, and they always will, there's no incentive for them to give up being an independent.
The ACC needs to remain viable for their other sports as well. I could see the B10 putting the squeeze on them with scheduling down the road, but that certainly wouldn't help the relationship.
 
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As long as Notre Dame has playoff access, and they always will, there's no incentive for them to give up being an independent.
Saying ND will always have playoff access is being very generous as once the ACC gets poached they will most likely have to give up that independence
 
As long as Notre Dame has playoff access, and they always will, there's no incentive for them to give up being an independent.
They however don’t have first round bye access. You never know what the future holds. When the ACC is picked apart they might be forced to join a conference, or potentially have a lot of trouble filling their schedule every year.
 
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They however don’t have first round bye access. You never know what the future holds. When the ACC is picked apart they might be forced to join a conference, or potentially have a lot of trouble filling their schedule every year.
Yeah, that could become an issue.
 
If Pac gets decimated they will add teams that wouldn't have made the cut previously. Then it will be a question of if Pac is still considered a power conference depending on who is left.

Baylor, Houston, BYU, TCU, SMU, SDSU, Utah, Cincy, UConn, UCF, USF, BYU...these are all schools that weren't seen as slam dunk power conference teams at some point (or currently) for various reasons. Some going up, some up and down.

Now it seems like of course Utah or Baylor are P5 worthy. When Big 12 was formed there was no significant reason they were in but Houston and TCU were out.

I would say that BYU and maaaaaaaaaaybe Cincy were the last two in football that kind of seemed like they should have been in P5 all along. For UCF/USF and Houston/SMU it's the same thing I posted earlier that unless you add every single school in FLA and TX some will have great seasons here or there picking up the recruiting scraps. BYU was always on the outside due to pure circumstance.
I think perception wise the schools that were part of the old SWC and the old Big East have at least the consideration of being P5 caliber and maybe believed they are in a realm somewhere in between G5 and P5. It has not had the feeling that we are elevating school fully from G5 status, with some of the schools that were at least in recent history on the same level as the rest of P5, or were independent at that level.

Most if not all of the teams that were in those positions, that did a decent job of maintaining their programs, have now been taken by other P5s. This is where SMU and Rice come in for the Pac, although obviously they are only valuable to the Pac at this point. Maybe an argument could be made for UConn although they barely became "D1" when the Big East broke up.

It now appears to be more of a full elevation of a G5 school when talking about schools coming Up from the G5, instead of bringing a P5 school back to the fold after losing their former Power conference.

The big 12 knows where it stands, I don't believe the Big 12 will elevate any more G5s in the near future, if ever, unless something extremely unforeseen and major happens. Right now the Big 12 needs P5s to trigger the escalator. I think the Pac will add G5s to survive as a conference, and may be in the end replacing many more defectors. This could happen to the ACC in the future too, but unless there is a huge development there that wont happen until closer to the next round of realignment or so.
 
Saying ND will always have playoff access is being very generous as once the ACC gets poached they will most likely have to give up that independence

No they won't. All they have to do is put their sports (not football) in any conference they please and that conference will give them 5 football games. The Big 12 would do this in a heartbeat. They could also put everything in the Big East and just load their schedule with 9 P5 teams from all over the country. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
 
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USC & UCLA or UT & OU don't have the same values. I have a tough time believing UCLA has more value than Oregon or Washington, but they were able to ride USC's coat tails because of geography.

So if the Big10 can bring in ND, they can make financial sense of adding a UNC, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, etc. Same goes for the SEC conference, adding Clemson or FSU allows them to add a UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc.

They bring enormous value. No way in hell Oregon or UW will ever be bigger than LA schools. Texas is the richest school in the country, Ou isnt a chump and would bring more value than Oregon and UW combined.
 
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The Big12 absolutely is done promoting G5’s unless we get poached again in the future. Just doesn’t add any value. It’s even in the escalator clause in the media deal that expansion needs to be with a P5 school in order to make the same or more per school.
Do we know there isnt an escalator clause for adding a new timezone or bare minimum, something to renegotiate should a new timezone get added though? If that window is there or not probably determines what we do should we miss on PAC schools.
As long as Notre Dame has playoff access, and they always will, there's no incentive for them to give up being an independent.
Exactly. Once we're at 16 it won't matter at all anyhow because Id assume the elevated seeding of conference champions would end then too
 
Jason Scheer had Brett McMurphy on as a guest on his podcast published today.

McMurphy thinks Arizona and ASU to the Big12 and the Big10 takes more teams as well. It’s a good listen, IMO. Link is though Spotif.

 
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They bring enormous value. No way in hell Oregon or UW will ever be bigger than LA schools. Texas is the richest school in the country, Ou isnt a chump and would bring more value than Oregon and UW combined.

Not what I am saying. Do you honestly believe UCLA has more value than Washington or Oregon? UCLA got the invite because they were in the same town as USC. UCLA would have never gotten invited by the Big10 if USC wasn't interested in moving. There is speculation that the BTN will get more in carriage fees from the LA Market with USC & UCLA vs. just 1 of those schools. But who knows how long carriage fees will be a BTN revenue gravy train

OU isn't a chump and does stand on its own, but it doesn't have the same value as Texas. Obviously the SEC got the 2 most valuable Big12 brands. But I don't think many would say the SEC made a mistake if the deal was Texas & Texas Tech or Kansas or Okie State instead of OU.
 
Not what I am saying. Do you honestly believe UCLA has more value than Washington or Oregon? UCLA got the invite because they were in the same town as USC. UCLA would have never gotten invited by the Big10 if USC wasn't interested in moving. There is speculation that the BTN will get more in carriage fees from the LA Market with USC & UCLA vs. just 1 of those schools. But who knows how long carriage fees will be a BTN revenue gravy train

OU isn't a chump and does stand on its own, but it doesn't have the same value as Texas. Obviously the SEC got the 2 most valuable Big12 brands. But I don't think many would say the SEC made a mistake if the deal was Texas & Texas Tech or Kansas or Okie State instead of OU.

Yes, UCLA is more valuable.
 

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