The “We Will” Collective

[cygrads]

No it didn't. Inflation is a real problem right now, but the US economy was still quite robust during the first quarter. An economic contraction is by definition a recession, and the US is certainly not in a recession right now. Could it be later this year? Yes, but unlikely.

I work in the finance industry and am actually a bit tired or hearing people refer to 'these poor economic conditions'. The economy has been red hot since the back half of 2020. Huge amounts of money are flying around and consumer spending is very strong. This combination is why we are now have an inflation problem - too much money in the system. If you want to complain about inflation, I'm with you. Stop blaming a 'poor economy' that doesn't exist.

I think GDP was -1.4% for 1st quarter.

Thanks Gunnerclone I was going to let it go.

Thehelgo, I don't really concentrate on how things are in the here and now even though inflation is ridiculous. Most bank and financial analysts are calling for a recession, interest rates are rising, the Fed has made it clear they are raising rates by 50bps at their next meeting and will continue to raise rates which will increase mortgage rates on top of increasing costs which will eventually slow the home building market thus making a recession more likely. I too worked in the finance industry and public accounting as an auditor and have been retired for a few years but still keep track of the economy as it impacts my investments.

 

[cygrads]

Well sure, these are uncertain times. More uncertain due to Mad Vlad and the Ukrainian invasion than the economy though. The economy has been good but of course one side will always say it isn't or needs to be better. (Further discussion belongs in the cave)

You are predisposed that the (any current) collective is about more of our money and rightly so. But the We Will logo is only pasted over a green background grass field. Maybe you didn't do any looking and see the same logo on different backgrounds or by itself on a white background?

I was looking on my phone and didn't see any lines on the green background so didn't notice it was a soccer field. My comment about green like money I was trying (unsuccessfully) to be humorous.

 

[t-noah]

I was looking on my phone and didn't see any lines on the green background so didn't notice it was a soccer field. My comment about green like money I was trying (unsuccessfully) to be humorous.

No problem CyBrother. These ARE difficult and uncertain times. The collective, the economy, the world situation. I think everyone is just a little on edge.

I don't think anyone is extremely happy that we have to have a collective. Change is hard.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Obviously this group of football super seniors, and guys like Georges and Naz etc, grew to love Ames and what they experienced at Iowa State.

The new reality that a kid who came from nothing can come here and excel, and as a result see their value increase like Isheem Young, and go get paid somewhere else changes everything

There will always be exceptions, but developmental programs like Iowa State will see this happen regularly.

I absolutely agree.

To the bolded in your post... does anybody think we would have been able to keep Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Mike Rose, etc... past their junior year at the latest, under these new NIL and free transfer rules?

The point of the collective isn't to buy recruits, it's to retain them once we get them.

Everybody waxes poetic about Georges and crew about how much they love Ames and ISU. But they were all here at least 4 years. A 100K NIL deal for any of them could have changed that outcome.

 

[I@ST1]

I absolutely agree.

To the bolded in your post... does anybody think we would have been able to keep Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Mike Rose, etc... past their junior year at the latest, under these new NIL and free transfer rules?

The point of the collective isn't to buy recruits, it's to retain them once we get them.

Everybody waxes poetic about Georges and crew about how much they love Ames and ISU. But they were all here at least 4 years. A 100K NIL deal for any of them could have changed that outcome.

Agree.

Would we have gotten them to Ames without an NIL deal in place? I doubt it.

You can’t reference past players in this new era.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Agree.

Would we have gotten them to Ames without an NIL deal in place? I doubt it.

You can’t reference past players in this new era.

I don't know. But I think if we can show a current recruit a possible NIL deal based on what prior players that are already on campus have gotten, we might be able to. Not up front money, but "this is what X player on the team has going on now, you have the opportunity for that as well". Not ideal, but better than nothing.

 

[Cyientist]

NPP, Nice Post Pope. I will remind you though, this is the crazy thread. Sane people and posts belong elsewhere.

Of course, some hope is very nice and we will allow it! In fact wouldn't it be nice if what you are saying here does occur? And fairly soon. It is definitely what I am hoping for.

I will be supporting it. They need to give us more information soon though. Even if it is just a statement that they are working on it and will be putting up more information. But post some information now.

And who is to say that another Collective apart from this one, won't also sprout up? Or as you say some other innovative approaches take hold as well? Nothing stopping that.

We would all be complaining even more loudly I think if NO collective at all was there or even in the works.

This is exactly where I'm at. They are missed the opportunity to have a clean roll out.

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[Gunnerclone]

I absolutely agree.

To the bolded in your post... does anybody think we would have been able to keep Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Mike Rose, etc... past their junior year at the latest, under these new NIL and free transfer rules?

The point of the collective isn't to buy recruits, it's to retain them once we get them.

Everybody waxes poetic about Georges and crew about how much they love Ames and ISU. But they were all here at least 4 years. A 100K NIL deal for any of them could have changed that outcome.

We’re not going to get any recruits if we don’t pay them apparently. So what’s the point of “The Collective” again?

let me see if I have this correct:

1)we’re not going to pay to get recruits

SO

2) we’re not going to get good recruits

THEN

3) we’re going to pay the bad recruits to keep them?

That model doesn’t seem viable.

 

[Yellow Snow]

We’re not going to get any recruits if we don’t pay them apparently. So what’s the point of “The Collective” again?

let me see if I have this correct:

1)we’re not going to pay to get recruits

SO

2) we’re not going to get good recruits

THEN

3) we’re going to pay the bad recruits to keep them?

That model doesn’t seem viable.

Fair enough. What would you propose? Not try at all?

Not saying you are wrong. Just give my your options.

 

[Stormin]

Fair enough. What would you propose? Not try at all?

Not saying you are wrong. Just give my your options.

I propose the Big Donors fund the NIL collective. They can easily fund the money out of their excess. We grant them the right to brag about it.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I propose the Big Donors fund the NIL collective. They can easily fund the money out of their excess. We grant them the right to brag about it.

They certainly have that right if they want to. Same as everybody else.

 

[Stormin]

They certainly have that right if they want to. Same as everybody else.

The small donor is pretty much tapped out with tickets, parking, tailgating costs, etc. now. Tap that limited pool of money to fund NIL and there is no money to buy the tickets, concessions, fees, and Cyclone Club Donations. NIL will cannibalize the Program. That NIL Money will go out the door to an 18 year old kid selling himself to the highest bidder. Don’t see that working out well.

 

[nfrine]

We’re not going to get any recruits if we don’t pay them apparently. So what’s the point of “The Collective” again?

let me see if I have this correct:

1)we’re not going to pay to get recruits

SO

2) we’re not going to get good recruits

THEN

3) we’re going to pay the bad recruits to keep them?

That model doesn’t seem viable.

Easy there. You should go cheer for Fran. The transfer portal and NIL doesn't cause him any problems.

 

[Yellow Snow]

The small donor is pretty much tapped out with tickets, parking, tailgating costs, etc. now. Tap that limited pool of money to fund NIL and there is no money to buy the tickets, concessions, fees, and Cyclone Club Donations. NIL will cannibalize the Program. That NIL Money will go out the door to an 18 year old kid selling himself to the highest bidder. Don’t see that working out well.

I hear what you are saying. But there are a bunch of people who aren't season ticket holders. That want us to be competitive. I can't get to games, so priority points don't mean much. I don't have said season tickets because I can't get to games.

There are a lot of us out there. Out of state people.

Look at it this way. There are a lot of people willing to donate money so your game day experience and your donation is worth it to you. We all want to win games.

 

[Stormin]

I hear what you are saying. But there are a bunch of people who aren't season ticket holders. That want us to be competitive. I can't get to games, so priority points don't mean much. I don't have said season tickets because I can't get to games.

There are a lot of us out there. Out of state people.

Look at it this way. There are a lot of people willing to donate money so your game day experience and your donation is worth it to you. We all want to win games.

Good for you. IMO the NIL Collective could cannibalize funds that are presently going to the Cyclone Club. Because that is where a lot of out of staters, like yourself, likely made contributions to help out. We will see.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Good for you. IMO the NIL Collective could cannibalize funds that are presently going to the Cyclone Club. Because that is where a lot of out of staters, like yourself, likely made contributions to help out. We will see.

Again. I agree with you.

I think our disagreement is on where funds are more efficiently spent. People have to choose what they think that is.

To me the main asset is to have good players. Pre NIL the main asset was to have fancy **** to show recruits... in order to get good players.

 

[Stormin]

Again. I agree with you.

I think our disagreement is on where funds are more efficiently spent. People have to choose what they think that is.

To me the main asset is to have good players. Pre NIL the main asset was to have fancy **** to show recruits... in order to get good players.

We have a learning center. Tutors. Players lounge. Nutrition center. You still have to provide those things as well. Good players want all those amenities and things. The schools paying them NIL all have top notch stuff. That is not going away. You won’t even attract the average player if you cut back on the infrastructure and amenities. NIL must be additional money. Or it will fail miserably.

 

[Yellow Snow]

We have a learning center. Tutors. Players lounge. Nutrition center. You still have to provide those things as well. Good players want all those amenities and things. The schools paying them NIL all have top notch stuff. That is not going away. You won’t even attract the average player if you cut back on the infrastructure and amenities. NIL must be additional money. Or it will fail miserably.

Kinda my point all along.

Out of state people are a source for that.

 

[Stormin]

Kinda my point all along.

Out of state people are a source for that.

So the out of state people were not donating before? Great that we have a source.

 

[madguy30]

I absolutely agree.

To the bolded in your post... does anybody think we would have been able to keep Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Mike Rose, etc... past their junior year at the latest, under these new NIL and free transfer rules?

The point of the collective isn't to buy recruits, it's to retain them once we get them.

Everybody waxes poetic about Georges and crew about how much they love Ames and ISU. But they were all here at least 4 years. A 100K NIL deal for any of them could have changed that outcome.

They were also not early-entry NBA types. Monte looked into and iirc only came back because it wasn't an immediate deal.

I know going pro is different than this new NIL stuff...but right now it doesn't feel like it.

It's like questioning Hall and Rose for sitting out of the bowl games because Montgomery played in his last one. Would DM have played in the Alamo bowl if sitting out of bowl games was more common?