***Official 2022 Transfer Thread***

[WhoISthis]

Please enlighten me

NIL compliance, if there is such a thing, is on the AD. With that and the fact they are the steward of fan and donor spending at their institutions, the success of NIL is on them. If there’s no enforcement of compliance, then it is obviously on them. ADs are involved at the most successful of the NIL programs.

NCAA vs Johnson, if ruled in favor of athletes being employees, means it’s pay-to-play. On the AD.

 

[goody2012]

NIL compliance, if there is such a thing, is on the AD. With that and the fact they are the steward of fan and donor spending at their institutions, the success of NIL is on them. If there’s no enforcement of compliance, then it is obviously on them. ADs are involved at the most successful of the NIL programs.

NCAA vs Johnson, if ruled in favor of athletes being employees, means it’s pay-to-play. On the AD.

You're talking about AD spending and borrowing. They're not contributing to NIL programs.

 

[WhoISthis]

You're talking about AD spending and borrowing. They're not contributing to NIL programs.

We’re talking about future roster costs which will be after NCAA vs Johnson.

They could do it now too. Borrow whatever we currently get in donations and redirect those donations to NIL. It’s happening elsewhere, informally if not intentionally

 

[goody2012]

We’re talking about future roster costs which will be after NCAA vs Johnson.

They could do it now too. Borrow whatever we currently get in donations and redirect those donations to NIL. It’s happening elsewhere, informally if not intentionally

Highly doubt AD are going to direct donations away from them

 

[Cyclad]

NIL compliance, if there is such a thing, is on the AD. With that and the fact they are the steward of fan and donor spending at their institutions, the success of NIL is on them. If there’s no enforcement of compliance, then it is obviously on them. ADs are involved at the most successful of the NIL programs.

NCAA vs Johnson, if ruled in favor of athletes being employees, means it’s pay-to-play. On the AD.

I can 100% assure you ISU intends to follow the “rules” (as they exist) without exception.
I have specific knowledge that is true.

 

[cyclonehomer]

I can 100% assure you ISU intends to follow the “rules” (as they exist) without exception.
I have specific knowledge that is true.

Well, I gotta say that if the AD isn't at the very least suggesting ("off the record" if needed) to big donors to put a portion of of those donations towards NIL collectives, ISU is completely boned. There's no way that most ADs are completely unattached and not at least doing that much.

I don't think most ADs are completely passive with it and don't think ISU can afford to be.

 

[isucy86]

An annual $2.5 million for an elite starting lineup would not be that high. We would borrow to do that if needed. Huge ROI. Top level basketball and top branding for just $2.5 million. Plus revenue growth.

That will get KUs inclusion in the P2. And it’s not that far from their recruiting budgets and inflated coaching salaries due to recruiting.

The issue is it’s 2.5 million only right now. Every recruit it goes up. I don’t know where it stops, but given these TV deals, and what top programs make on basketball, 8 figures is not unlikely. There’s a lot riding on KU basketball. There are also a lot of committed fans and donors that will pay.

If YOU want to step up and fund student-athletes NIL go ahead.

If we are talking 6 figure NIL payments or pay-for-play as the direction college-athletics is going, no thanks. I would prefer ISU step back and find other universities that also want to take what I'll call an Ivy League approach to the college sport experience for athletes and fans. Athletic Departments can then focus on the educational opportunities and integrating athletes into the general student population. Athlete dorms, lounges, etc. are part of the problem by segregating athletes from the general student population.

If athletes want pay-for-play, then they should be able to enter the NBA or NFL draft right out of HS. If the top basketball and football players have a market value, then the NBA and NFL should be able to create a profitable minor league development system.

It really is a crazy system where you and I pay the development (R&D) cost for Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, Stan Kroenke, Steve Balmer, Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert, etc. finished product. I doubt Pat Bowlen's family is going to take the $4 billion proceeds from their sale of the Denver Broncos franchise to a member of the Walton (Walmart) family and donate it to charity or better yet, Bronco season ticketholders.

 

[Cyclad]

Well, I gotta say that if the AD isn't at the very least suggesting ("off the record" if needed) to big donors to put a portion of of those donations towards NIL collectives, ISU is completely boned. There's no way that most ADs are completely unattached and not at least doing that much.

I don't think most ADs are completely passive with it and don't think ISU can afford to be.

I don ‘t think I suggested that. I am not an expert on the “rules”
I doubt they would prohibit donors shifting dollars.
The dilemma is that currently income roughly equals expenses. If you shift money rather than find new money, you must cut expenses. Such things are usually possible - with other consequences.
I am no expert on ISU athletic budget, but it’s all available to all of us.
All I know is that we will follow the rules.
I think your comments are valid.

 

[WhoISthis]

I can 100% assure you ISU intends to follow the “rules” (as they exist) without exception.
I have specific knowledge that is true.

Everyone “intends” to follow the “rules”.

JP may not be the guy for this era though.

To Louisville fans, is Tom Jurich a villain or hero?

 

[Marcelason78]

An annual $2.5 million for an elite starting lineup would not be that high. We would borrow to do that if needed. Huge ROI. Top level basketball and top branding for just $2.5 million......

Have to agree to disagree.
I think you would have a hard time convincing bankers that there would be a 'huge ROI'.
And what about football? Borrow another $25 million for them?

 

[LLCoolCY]

Back to prospects…

 

[Rabbuk]

Back to prospects…

Tubby smiths kid is their coach now I think

 

[cyclonehomer]

Back to prospects…

First glance of the numbers, I like this guy.

 

[LLCoolCY]

Here’s a new name.

Max Jones

Max Jones

www.tampaspartans.com

 

[WhoISthis]

Have to agree to disagree.
I think you would have a hard time convincing bankers that there would be a 'huge ROI'.
And what about football? Borrow another $25 million for them?

It would not be a problem at all in terms of finding capital. You think the financing world thinks there is greater ROI on the many facilities built? Facilities often used as a proxy to lure players? How much has the indoor practice facility made?

Think of this as similar to the sudden and unexpected budget shortfall from Covid. That was mostly from loss of revenue, rather than a step-change in costs, but a deficit is a deficit. You can either cut costs to the point you don't compete, which severely jeopardizes revenue, and it is game over. Or you can borrow. SOP. Any business trying to survive and grow with acquires debt.


Back to transfers- I am looking forward to a time in which the pay-to-play has more transparency.

How much does a guy like Council get right now? I feel like every deal announced the market goes up. How unlucky for the top transfers from last year. They just missed out on some decent paydays.

 

[Marcelason78]

It would not be a problem at all in terms of finding capital. You think the financing world thinks there is greater ROI on the many facilities built? Facilities often used as a proxy to lure players? How much has the indoor practice facility made?...

Doesn't sound like you know how naming donors or the financial world 'thinks'.

 

[Rabbuk]

Here’s a new name.

Max Jones

Max Jones

www.tampaspartans.com

D2 for those wondering

 

[WhoISthis]

Doesn't sound like you know how naming donors or the financial world 'thinks'.

I didn't mention donors- we typically don't borrow that way. They're called donors, not investors for a reason. The donor capital is typically needed just to get the loan

Again, please tell me the ROI we expected when securing financing on the practice facility?

How do you envision paying off current debt if revenue declines from not participating or competing in the high major conferences that have NIL or pay-to-play?

Sounds like we need to get you caught up on many aspects.

 

[Cyclad]

It would not be a problem at all in terms of finding capital. You think the financing world thinks there is greater ROI on the many facilities built? Facilities often used as a proxy to lure players? How much has the indoor practice facility made?

Think of this as similar to the sudden and unexpected budget shortfall from Covid. That was mostly from loss of revenue, rather than a step-change in costs, but a deficit is a deficit. You can either cut costs to the point you don't compete, which severely jeopardizes revenue, and it is game over. Or you can borrow. SOP. Any business trying to survive and grow with acquires debt.


Back to transfers- I am looking forward to a time in which the pay-to-play has more transparency.

How much does a guy like Council get right now? I feel like every deal announced the market goes up. How unlucky for the top transfers from last year. They just missed out on some decent paydays.

Not completely on board with your thinking, but I get the point about borrowing, and there might be an ROI, especially compared to going out of business. I do know you will not fill Hilton or the Jack without competitive teams. It does not take long either - a couple bad years. Donations will also decline. You have provided a lot to think about.
So, I suppose to make that work we need the donors to switch to NIL, and borrow to fill the athletic shortages. Seems like that might work for some period of time. Perhaps not long term sustainable. Things likely get much worse for us with next TV contacts - as our budget shortfalls will grow. Without significant new donor dollars (unlikely) I am not sure it is sustainable.

 

[Marcelason78]

I didn't mention donors- we typically don't borrow that way. They're called donors, not investors for a reason. The donor capital is typically needed just to get the loan

Again, please tell me the ROI we expected when securing financing on the practice facility?

How do you envision paying off current debt if revenue declines from not participating or competing in the high major conferences that have NIL or pay-to-play?

Sounds like we need to get you caught up on many aspects.

You brought up the university facilities. The lead naming donors that lay down millions for these projects do not expect any ROI. Comparing the funding process for these projects to asking a financial institution for loans so you can give away millions to 18 year olds is really a stretch.