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WhoISthis said:
It’s not about playing small ball. It’s about playing your best lineup. King at the 3 is not leveraging his talent. It is more likely mitigating it. You’re making King relatively less athletic and less skilled when at the wing.

For what gain? Likely worse defense and a more congested offense. King is playing the 4 on all those teams you listed.

You’re advocating for the opposite of CMC’s approach. Campbell isn’t forcing a player into a role that he’s not bust suited for. He’s not playing a guy that’s not best at TE just because one year we used 3 TEs and this player could kind of fill in. If he’s better as a Lazard type WR, he’ll be a WR. TJ isn’t playing a 6’8”F at the wing just because UNC had Manek and Bacot in the frontcourt and a wing that happened to be 6’8”. Remember, it’s players, formation, plays…which means putting King at the 4 we’re he’s best suited and working around that. It’s not formation, players, plays, match UNC’s lineup height
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I think the players, plays, formations analogy is correct. But part of that is figuring out how to get your best guys on the floor/field. Just as football played a bunch of 3 tight-end sets over the last few years, I think it’s reasonable to assume that TJ will figure out ways to get Jaz and King on the floor at the same time (whether as 3-4 or 4-5) simply because both are too valuable to be sitting on the bench.

Granted, we don’t know what the roster is going to end up looking like, but I can’t see a future where they’re not both getting a ton of minutes.
 
Pat said:
I think the players, plays, formations analogy is correct. But part of that is figuring out how to get your best guys on the floor/field. Just as football played a bunch of 3 tight-end sets over the last few years, I think it’s reasonable to assume that TJ will figure out ways to get Jaz and King on the floor at the same time (whether as 3-4 or 4-5) simply because both are too valuable to be sitting on the bench.

Granted, we don’t know what the roster is going to end up looking like, but I can’t see a future where they’re not both getting a ton of minutes.
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It is correct analogy, but it's just as likely that is why he's a 4, and not getting shoehorned in at the three. It is not his best position, and thus far the main motive is just that KU and UNC had big 3s. That is the opposite of accessing where your guys excel, and building around that.

I don't think we know if King and Kunc are guys that need to be figured out to be on the court at the same time- it depends on who we sign. With Ward and Jones the other 4/5s, it is more likely Kunc moves to the 5 at times than King to the 3. We're trying to have 4 good Big 12 bigs. They're going to be off the court at times.

I don't see our emphasis on guys being able to stay in front of their man as taking backseat or going away, particularly on the perimeter. Not even Hoiberg would jeopardize that without getting more in return on offense. And King on the wing on offense just got less skilled than if at the 4.
 
allfourcy said:
Just curious is there an advantage (other than maturity/experience) that you would take more interest in this guy versus the Duquesne pg who has multiple years eligibility and for the most part better shooting?? (Primo)
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If basing on what they’ve done, even Holmes most recent season had a better eFG and TS%.

With losing Hunter, I think we’re prioritizing next year.

Plus with Holmes being a Romulus guy, we have connections
 
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Statefan10 said:
I think we’d want both.
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I agree. Ward and Williams might? be roughly equivalent to what ISU got from Hunter and Conditt last year, still lost Brockington as well. Hard to expect any transfer to completely fill Brockington's shoes, but the combo of Green and Holmes would be a good start to doing so for sure.
 
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cyclonehomer said:
I agree. Ward and Williams might? be roughly equivalent to what ISU got from Hunter and Conditt last year, still lost Brockington as well. Hard to expect any transfer to completely fill Brockington's shoes, but the combo of Green and Holmes would be a good start to doing so for sure.
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If Gabe’s coming back and the freshmen are any good, minutes start getting scarce.
 
bawbie said:
If Gabe’s coming back and the freshmen are any good, minutes start getting scarce.
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From having gone through the past decade or so of recruits around the level of the three freshman for ISU and from others having done so for basically all of P6, getting one of the three to be a real contributor next year would be great. Sometimes you get a real outlier like Haliburton was, but generally speaking I'm not expecting a ton from any of them even though I like their games in general. I assume Gabe is returning, no reason not to, but having him play either lower minutes or a much smaller role on offense has to be a part of the game plan for the off-season IMO. Not gonna rehash it all again, but he really struggled offensively and that was a major part of the offenses issues IMO. Not putting it all on him, but I'm also not expecting a huge jump in year 5 with his efficiency.
 
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bawbie said:
If Gabe’s coming back and the freshmen are any good, minutes start getting scarce.
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I think they want 4 starter level guards, and judging by adding Williams when we had Hunter and likely AJ, that’s not what we have now.
 
Stormin said:
We have played freshmen in important roles in the past. And generally our classes are not Elite talents. Classes that mature together, grow together, and stay give the program a better culture. HS Recruits are signed at this point. We have some returners. We have some leaving whose spots will be filled on the Portal. That will be the future IMO. At least for now.
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It’ll help when it goes back to sitting a year!
 
bawbie said:
It’s amazing how much some “fans” dislike our team from this year.
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If you don't think a guy like Brockington covered for a lot of flaws offensively, we're probably not gonna agree on much.

Grill does some things well, as does Kalscheur, but both guys have pretty huge holes in their games IMO. I actually have more hope for Grill between the two if he can add some dribble-drive game. Doesn't need to be much but a little threat there and I could see him having an excellent year shooting the ball with a little more breathing room.

Regardless, I think the goal was to be hopefully improved as a team vs. last season and push for top half of the B12. As of now, we're looking at Gabe taking even more shots than last year and easily leading the team in attempts. So you'll have to excuse a little bit of mid-transfer-season panic.
 
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